robert Cuthbert Hanson and Jane Frances Nicholson

[diddymiller]

scotlands people - all scottish records back to 1500's in one place. pay to view but indexes free:

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Diddy

[diddymiller]

the marriage is on there - lists them as both of this parish ie living in Dunblane,perth at time of marriage.

Diddy

[chrissyst]

Hi

Ok so do you have access to the 1851 census of Dunblane at all.

We dont have access here yet


chrissy

[diddymiller]

as i said i've been searching on A* (subscription) & SP.

think I've just found jane on 1851 in Kinloch,perthshire living as farm servant with family age 18 born Logierait, Perthshire (close to Dundee)

Diddy

[chrissyst]

Hi Diddy
Thanks for helping me

They were married in Dunblane is that close by where you found her


Chrissy

[MonicaL]

Hi Chrissy and Diddy

Something is not quite right with that transcription from Ancestry for 1851 with the Hanson children living at the Livingston household I wondered whether there may have been a connection between the Catherine Livingston, 34, wife of head Hugh Livingston who shows on that entry and the Catherine Hanson, 25, who shows with the Hanson family in 1841 in Perth. Chrissy, if you haven't viewed the original image on the site that Diddy mentioned, Scotlands People, it might be an idea to do so to be sure about relationships. Often mistakes creep in on transcription on Ancestry.

Something that made me chuckle on that transcribed entry is the younger Livingston children are all transcribed as 'doing nothing' under the occupation field  It is this type of error together with the issue of surname/relationship for the Hanson children that would make me want to look at the original image. There is also another child showing as daughter with a totally different surname (Fleming).

This doesn't help with where your Robert was for 1851, but at the same time, can't see any entry for mother Mary given she didn't die until 1859.

Monica 

[chrissyst]

Hi Monica
Yes years ago i came across at the Mormon History centre in Darwin N.T. Australia the 1841 census record of the family showing a Catherine Hanson born scotland...(Thomas was born England) so not to presume I had the feeling she may have been Thomas's sister and the family of Hanson moved over from England (as his son William and his daughter Agnes later went to Dewsbury and Whitby).

I don't have access to the 1851 census unfortuntely....I was hoping to use the local libraries family history computer but it has been down for some weeks in for repair...grrrrr..

The entry Diddy mentioned was exciting news but I am not sure its my Jane...a cousin told me family member said she was very proud of being scottish and was very scottish in every way...

The fleming child you mention ??daughter of who...??catherine and hugh livingstone do you mean

I found the mother Mary Hanson living as a boarder with her daughter Anne Hanson who married Edward Murray ....in 13 Stevenson street Renfrewshire (Paisley renfrewhire census)

The thing that disturbs me is that there is a contradicition ..the gentleman that found the livingstone connection on the census said Anne was showing as 'adopted' and living with them...but I found her quite separately on the above census and mary the mother living with her.

Mary the mother must have gone to live with daughter Cecilia Hanson who married William Snowdowne at some point at 140 high street Devonside as that is the address that appears on her death certificate and James is the informant.

This would be correct I feel as both Robert and Jane Hanson and Anne and Edward Murray immigrated to Australia in 1852 so the mum would have had to find alternate accommodation.

Its just a mystery as to where Robert and Jane were in 1851....and if I coudl find out then just maybe find the parentage of jane nicholson.

What do you think

Chrissy

[MonicaL]

Sometimes people are hard to find on censuses, often down to how they have been indexed unfortunately.

I would imagine you have used Scotlands People before in order to access the OPR marriage entry for Robert and Jane? You might want to consider perhaps looking at the actual original image there of the 1851 entry for the Livingston/Hanson entry to actually confirm what is written down. I am guessing that what you are seeing on the transcription of the census may not actually reflect what is on the original and this at least may help you clarily this issue of "adoption". Odd term for those times, normally children would show as boarders for example if they were being taken care of by people who were not family.

I assume that Jane's Tasmanian death cert did not include details on her parents?

Monica

[chrissyst]

Hi Monica

yes I think you may be right will do

No Jane's death was recorded and view on a film reel many years ago of her death entry.

All it said on that and the subsequent certificate I purchased was
Jane Frances hanson husband of Robert Cuthbert Hanson
her death date
Place of death Waratah

thats all.

I belive she is buried in the cemetery at Waratah Tasmania

but there is mentioned on the headstone of Robert Cuthbert Hanson at latrobe of her name and date of death. ( I think this is just a memorial piece as Latrobe Council have  no record of her being reburied there.)

All so intriguing isnt it.

and yes I agree with you on the adoption thing...strange for those times to see that word..

and I found marriages of the all the children using there original name of Hanson

Regards

Chrissy