COMPLETE - Fiche details for Vic Immigrants - Robert MUIR

[ajf25]

The name of the above ship was "Malabar" arrived March 1853 - Port B  - F/no 031 - This is on the Unassisted Passenger List to Victoria 1852 - 1923.
There are three Robert Muir's listed - ages 24 - 25 - 29 - could be all the same person?? - perhaps someone could check the manifest.? 
Sarra

I have a birthdate of 28 Oct 1828, Greenock, SCO, so in 1853, he would be 24-25 if he arrived in 1853. He was a joiner.
I have him in the 1851 Scottish Census, living at 10 Bearhope St, Parish Greenock West. His parents both died in Greenock in the 1870s.  His brothers in the 1851 census are James 25 (so born c1826) and David 20 (so born c1831). I don't know when he emigrated, but has to be between 1851-1857 because of census and marriage. I don't know if he travelled alone, but if someone is able to check the manifest, we may get more clues.

His future wife Helen Morton arrived on the "Eliza Stewart" in Jan 1854, along with her brother James. She was from Ladybrow, Galston, SCO.

I wonder how many Robert Muirs there are of around the same age? Therein lies a problem - lots 

Cheers,
Alison 

[sarra]

Alison,
The names of the Muirs' listed on the  "Malabar" are.....

MUIR Alex - age 21
   "    David -  23
    "   Robert - 24
    "        "     - 25
    "   Mr Robert - 29
    "   WP - no age given   

Sarra

[ajf25]

Alison,
The names of the Muirs' listed on the  "Malabar" are.....

MUIR Alex - age 21
   "    David -  23
    "   Robert - 24
    "        "     - 25
    "   Mr Robert - 29
    "   WP - no age given   

Sarra

I've just checked PROV and found the above entry. Gee, you have to be lateral in your thinking when looking for records. I'd never thought of putting Robt for Robert. Comes with experience I guess. 

Whether this is our Robert and David, who knows? Their ages fit.

Alison 

[sparrett]

I see  a lot of his life with HELEN seems to be around NATHALIA.
Is this where he died?

Often information is revealed about immigration when an early colonist dies, we often see "A colonist of ...years, arrived on the...."

This can sometimes be in a newspaper of the time if a wordy obituary is written or even on a headstone in the cemetery.

I used the NLA Trove website and saw some financial difficulties for him in Nathalia in the 1890's and other  bits and pieces.
Perhaps when your computer problems are sorted, you will see them too.

Sue

[ajf25]

Sue, you can find anything it seems.

Yes, Robert and Helen(Ellen) lived in Nathalia. I don't know when they moved there. I'm assuming it was after 1867, as their last child Agnes, was born in Sandridge in 1867. Robert died in 1912 and Helen in 1905. Both are buried there. I really should go and check out the headstones, if there is one. I'm only about an hour away.  There are other rellies there, so it could be a productive trip.

I haven't tried "troving" him as I thought his name was too common. What did you put in their search engine, that brought up his information?

I wonder if anyone with Victorian bdm resources could see if they could find a death for David? It's a long shot, as I'm not even sure he emigrated and it is a common name. I'm just trying to rule in, or out, the David who came on the Malabar.  He was born in 1830, Greenock, SCO of parents Robert Muir and Jane (nee McCunn). 

Alison 

[sparrett]

Hi
There are a great many DAVID MUIR's on the indexes and many of them list parents unknown.

This is just one of the possibles ....

MUIR, DAVID
Aged 84
 father UK.
 mother UK.
At Kilmore
Year 1911 #9566

For a Trove search I may have entered
"robert muir" (one space) +nathalia

That is what brought up the insolvency and other things about his business I think.

"morton muir" was perhaps another. Helen was known by that as her surname it seems.

Try "mrs r muir" +nathalia

And so on.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10675882?searchTerm="morton muir"&searchLimits=


Sue

 

 

[ajf25]

mmm, I thought David Muir was a longshot 

I'll keep the trove references for later. The aforementioned uni students have been told firmly that my genealogy is far more important than their music downloads. I'm the one who lives here, they only visit during holidays, so it's my download!! I really do love them dearly   

Alison 

[ajf25]

the Tomatin entry is the one I thought fitted best; agewise and the fact that he was single at the time of emigration.[/i] ALISON

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0alr/

This is a  shrunken link to a lenghty newspaper item of the mid 1850's

It deals with  a legal case of "Breach of Marriage" with plaintiff FLORA CAMERON and defendant ROBERT MUIR.

He is described as a wealthy merchant who met FLORA when they both travelled on the same ship to Melbourne in 1853.

He was with his brother. I have had a quick try, but was not able to locate her on Tomotin. Someone else will perhaps.

You may like to read it and see if it is likely to be your ROBERT.

Sue 

It seems it is probably not my Robert. He married on 31 Dec 1857 (not 1855 as I said in the original post) in North Melbourne and his occupation was carpenter. Still, it will be interesting reading.

Cheers Alison

Certainly is an interesting read - it would be interesting to see the outcome of the trial. He certainly tried to let Flora down as gently as possible.

I will have my sister go to the Geelong Historical society and see if she can see the film for both the Malabar and the Tomatin arrivals in 1853. I think the only way we'll get to the bottom of this is with a copy of the original ship's log.

Hopefully they exist.

Cheers, Alison 

[sarra]

 Malabar and the Tomatin arrivals in 1853. I think the only way we'll get to the bottom of this is with a copy of the original ship's log.

Alison - the manifest for the Malabar - does exist.  I did manage to locate it at the Library.  It does confirm that, what Robert Muir, says that he and his brothers travelled on the same ship, as Flora Cameron and her family.
I've come to the conclusion that - his brothers were -  David and Alex - I say this because they are grouped together. There is no other information listed for Robert Muir and his brothers.

The other Robert Muir's -  on the MALABAR -

Robert Muir - age 24 - Scotch - occupation farm lab/servant?

Mr Robert Muir - age 29 - no other information listed for him

SHIP LORD WARRISTON -
Robert MUIR - age 28 - Scotch - occ - Farmer - Contracted to land Melbourne - Port Phillip.

I think Deb has given you the information for the "Tomatin" 1853 -  I did not look this one up - but I don't think it will give anymore information - than what Deb has posted.

So I guess you can rule out the Robert Muir who jilted Flora Cameron - as your Robert Muir.  As to the others I don't know??.

Sarra