COMPLETE - Fiche details for Vic Immigrants - Robert MUIR

[ajf25]

Can anyone tell me please if the fiche for immigrants to Victoria is a transcription of the information from the ships' logs, or is it a digitised copy of the original?

I've found a lot of information from the records kept in NSW. ie. Parents names, whether parents are dead or living, occupation, whether they could read and write, religion.

My sister is doing the family searches in VIC and so far she hasn't found what I've found up here in NSW.

We're chasing our gg grandfather, Robert Muir (very common name I know). He came to VIC prior to 1855, when he married Helen Morton.
Going by the online PROV records, we have 3 possibilities:

Assisted passage - on Gengis Khan, age 33, arrived Jul 1853 - Book 9 P178

Unassisted -
- on Ganges Khan (presumably the same as the above), age 32, arr Jul 1853 - Port B (which I think is Geelong) Fiche 042, Page 013.
- on Tomatin, age 22 , arr Aug 1853 - Port B, Fiche 042, Page 013
- on Lord Warriston, age 28, arr Oct 1852 - Port B, Fiche 011, Page 002.

Come to think of it, I've only had sis check the 3 on the unassisted list. Perhaps the duplicate on the assisted is different.

Any ideas anyone?

Cheers,
Alison 

[andycand]

Hi Alison

Port B (which I think is Geelong)

The B stands for British, (Port F stands for Foreign and Port N for New Zealand) and indicates were the voyage originated from.

Is your sister handy for either Melbourne or Geelong because as well as the PROV the Geelong Heritage Centre has films of the passenger lists and I beleive that the State Library also has either films or fiche

Added.  Geelong has actual images of the passenger lists (not transcriptions) so I think SLV would be images as well

Andy

[Dundee]

Hi Alison,

The original Vic immigration records are not as detailed as the NSW ones and the original documents do not usually show much more than the index.  Occupation and disposal details (who they were contracted to work for) and where they are from can sometimes be found, but often they are just listed as Scottish, English, or Irish. The original will also show you family groups, but not the relationships between them.

Genghis Khan 1853

Robert MUIR, 33, Sawyer
Margaret, 36
Elizabeth, 8
All from Ayr, Scotland
On own account to Melbourne

Tomatin 1853

Robert MUIR, 22, Merchant from Scotland
Travelling First Class
Contracted to land at Port Phillip, Melbourne

Sorry, I am missing pages 2 and 3 for the Lord Warriston, so perhaps someone else is able to look for you.

Debra 

[ajf25]

Is your sister handy for either Melbourne or Geelong because as well as the PROV the Geelong Heritage Centre has films of the passenger lists and I beleive that the State Library also has either films or fiche

Added.  Geelong has actual images of the passenger lists (not transcriptions) so I think SLV would be images as well

Andy

Hi Andy, she lives in Geelong, but only saw the indexes at the Heritage Centre. I'll have her ask for guidance there when next she has time.

Hi Alison,

The original Vic immigration records are not as detailed as the NSW ones and the original documents do not usually show much more than the index.  Occupation and disposal details (who they were contracted to work for) and where they are from can sometimes be found, but often they are just listed as Scottish, English, or Irish. The original will also show you family groups, but not the relationships between them.

Genghis Khan 1853

Robert MUIR, 33, Sawyer
Margaret, 36
Elizabeth, 8
All from Ayr, Scotland
On own account to Melbourne

Tomatin 1853

Robert MUIR, 22, Merchant from Scotland
Travelling First Class
Contracted to land at Port Phillip, Melbourne

Sorry, I am missing pages 2 and 3 for the Lord Warriston, so perhaps someone else is able to look for you.

Debra 

Hi Debra, I'm away from home at the moment (away from all my records). From memory, the Tomatin entry is the one I thought fitted best; agewise and the fact that he was single at the time of emigration.

I'll wait and see if someone has access to the Lord Warriston records.

Thanks to you both,
Alison 

[andycand]

Hi Alison

The Geelong Heritage Centre has close to 300 films of Incoming and Outgoing Passenger Lists for Victoria, whilst the films themselves are not indexed you can use them in conjunction with the PROV indexes. Included in these films and incoming fom other States that have not been indexed by PROV as well as Outging Passenger Lists to 1902 to1923 that haven't been indexed by PROV yet

The links below have links to Geelong Heritage Centre catalogues

http://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/ct/documents/item/8cbce06318238fb.aspx

http://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/ct/documents/item/8cc2b677f439b91.aspx

Andy

[ajf25]

Hi Alison

The Geelong Heritage Centre has close to 300 films of Incoming and Outgoing Passenger Lists for Victoria, whilst the films themselves are not indexed you can use them in conjunction with the PROV indexes. Included in these films and incoming fom other States that have not been indexed by PROV as well as Outging Passenger Lists to 1902 to1923 that haven't been indexed by PROV yet

The links below have links to Geelong Heritage Centre catalogues

http://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/ct/documents/item/8cbce06318238fb.aspx

http://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/ct/documents/item/8cc2b677f439b91.aspx

Andy

Thanks Andy, I'll pass on the info to my sister.

Alison 

[sparrett]

the Tomatin entry is the one I thought fitted best; agewise and the fact that he was single at the time of emigration.[/i] ALISON




http://www.rootschat.com/links/0alr/

This is a  shrunken link to a lenghty newspaper item of the mid 1850's

It deals with  a legal case of "Breach of Marriage" with plaintiff FLORA CAMERON and defendant ROBERT MUIR.

He is described as a wealthy merchant who met FLORA when they both travelled on the same ship to Melbourne in 1853.

He was with his brother. I have had a quick try, but was not able to locate her on Tomotin. Someone else will perhaps.

You may like to read it and see if it is likely to be your ROBERT.

Prepare to be amused by the flowery love letters he wrote FLORA which were read out in Court and published in the article.

It goes onto page 6 of the paper. Use the arrows at the top of screen to "turn the page"

Sue 

[sarra]

travelled on the same ship to Melbourne in 1853.[/b]

The name of the above ship was "Malabar" arrived March 1853 - Port B  - F/no 031 - This is on the Unassisted Passenger List to Victoria 1852 - 1923.
There are three Robert Muir's listed - ages 24 - 25 - 29 - could be all the same person?? - perhaps someone could check the manifest.? 
Sarra

[ajf25]

the Tomatin entry is the one I thought fitted best; agewise and the fact that he was single at the time of emigration.[/i] ALISON




http://www.rootschat.com/links/0alr/

This is a  shrunken link to a lenghty newspaper item of the mid 1850's

It deals with  a legal case of "Breach of Marriage" with plaintiff FLORA CAMERON and defendant ROBERT MUIR.

He is described as a wealthy merchant who met FLORA when they both travelled on the same ship to Melbourne in 1853.

He was with his brother. I have had a quick try, but was not able to locate her on Tomotin. Someone else will perhaps.

You may like to read it and see if it is likely to be your ROBERT.

Prepare to be amused by the flowery love letters he wrote FLORA which were read out in Court and published in the article.

It goes onto page 6 of the paper. Use the arrows at the top of screen to "turn the page"

Sue 

Thanks Sue, I'll check it out in a few days. The kids are home from uni and have used all my download, so internet has been slowed. Luckily I can still view RC with much the same speed but things like Trove are oh so slow and not really worth it. Roll on the 8th when my new month starts.

I'm back at home now and can access my records. It seems it is probably not my Robert. He married on 31 Dec 1857 (not 1855 as I said in the original post) in North Melbourne and his occupation was carpenter. Still, it will be interesting reading.

Cheers Alison