William Hamilton b abt 1871 and Margaret Gordon b abt 1878 Antrim/Belfast

[gordonmcmullan]

Hello everyone,

I'm researching my Great Grandparents William Hamilton and Margaret Gordon.

I have located them in both the 1901 and 1911 Ireland Census and I believe I have found their Marriage

15 Apr 1898 Antrim Road Baptist Church

William's Father is given as James Hamilton and Margaret's is Given as Samuel Gordon.

However despite extensive online searching I've been unable to trace births and deaths for either

From the Census and living relatives memories I have their children as

William John Hamilton 1899
James Hamilton 1902
Etta Hamilton  abt 1906
Victor Hamilton 1908 – 1982
Minnie Hamilton 1912

My mother also referred to a Gordon Hamilton as her uncle Gordon but I have no trace for him yet.

I have births for all except Etta but no deaths or marriages except for Victor my Grandfather

any help or advice greatly appreciated.

[aghadowey]

Is this the Hamilton family in 1911 census?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Hazelnut_Street/145615

If so, eldest daughter down as Maggie so wondering where you get 'Etta from'? If a family nickname then she might be called Margaretta or Margaret on birth certificate.
Listed Baptist and married 13 years so c1898 which fits with the possible marriage you found in 1898 at Antrim Road Baptist Church.

The online civil registration index (free) only goes up to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties.
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347

[gordonmcmullan]

thanks very much for the reply,

Yes, I believe that's the family in 1911. Here they are in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Hazelnut_Street/961830/

Yes, I think it's likely that the person my mother referred to as Etta, is the same person as the Maggie listed in the census.

I've searched on the IFHF website, Emerald Ancestors but can't find the right record on those.

Thanks for pointing me at the LDS website, I just tried the new site at https://beta.familysearch.org, it lists many more possible matches but has insufficient information to confirm, or otherwise, the correct entry.

The Following all look possible

Name    Margaret Hamilton
Registration District    Belfast
Event Type    BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year    Jul - Sep 1905
Volume Number    1
Page Number    366

Name    Margaretta Hamilton
Registration District    Belfast
Event Type    BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year    Oct - Dec 1906
Volume Number    1
Page Number    373

Name    Margaret Hamilton
Registration District    Belfast
Event Type    BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year    Oct - Dec 1906
Volume Number    1
Page Number    166

Name    Margaret Hamilton
Registration District    Belfast
Event Type    BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year    Jan - Mar 1905
Volume Number    1
Page Number    208

Name    Maggie Jane Hamilton
Registration District    Belfast
Event Type    BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year    Oct - Dec 1906
Volume Number    1
Page Number    174

Name    Maggie Hamilton
Registration District    Belfast
Event Type    BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year    Oct - Dec 1905
Volume Number    1
Page Number    300

[BallyaltikilliganG]

I think there is chance that Margaret’s birth is as follows
from  www.ancestryireland.com
GORDON MARGARET 1873 father SAMUEL Antrim
In which case her age was declared as 3 years older in both census and curiously her husband William ‘s age was declared as age in 1901 was 27 not 30 as shown in 1911

Living at Hazelnut Street (Clifton, Antrim) in both census  which didn’t exist in 1880
In 97 directory, no trace at PRONI [ie streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/] 1899 directory at PRONI says it intersects mount view between nos 4 and 6 . I wasn’t able to find quickly wm Hamilton in either.

in lennonwylie.co.uk 1901 they are at  No14 Hazelnut Street
Mountview Street to Beechpark Street

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
    Should BallyaltikilliganG be correct then Margaret's parents were Samuel Gordon and Ann McViegh (sic). I cannot find their marriage but they had at least one other child, Anna, on 28 Feb 1881 in Castlereagh, Belfast.

Regards

[gordonmcmullan]

Thanks very much for the pointers;

I'm not sure about that birth, it gives her father's occupation as Coal Man which doesn't match the Marriage record I have where it's listed as Farmer. The location is also given as Ballymacarrett, which seems like the wrong side of the city.

I guess 25 years is enough time to change occupation but would someone who has already moved to the city go back to the Land?

I notice there's also a Gordon, S., Coal Merchant in the 1899 Belfast Street Directory, pages 1045, on the Newtonards road, I can't tie him to an S Gordon in the 1901 census yet, but it is the right sort of location to be associated with the Samuel Gordon, Coal Man, in the birth record above.

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   A further suggestion. I have also found a Margaret Gordon  born to Samuel Gordon and Margaret Fisher on16 Jun 1873 in Poyntzpass, Newry. Other children were William b 1877 and Susannah b1879. The IGI states that all three children were born in the townland of Lisnisk. The 1901 census shows another Gordon family there and they are farmers.
   Samuel Gordon and Margaret Fisher married in High St. Reformed Presbyterian Church on 14 Aug 1872.

Regards

[gordonmcmullan]

Thanks again for the pointer's

I'm still not sure that that's the same Margaret Gordon but I'm using the information to coax more memories out of some still living, though elderly, relatives.

It looks likely that William Hamilton died before about 1940, while Maggie Gordon died between 1947 and 1960. I'm not sure where, apart from the GRONI in Belfast I'd be able to search indexs for such recent deaths.

During the 1940's the family are reputed to have owned a dairy and milk delivery business located in Mountview street, Belfast, everyone I spoke to assumed that this had been William Hamilton's. but it looks more likely to me that it was inherited by Maggie Gordon from her father.

In the 1930's my grandfather was working as a Dairyman in ballyhay, outside Donaghadee, I see from the 1911 census that there are a couple of Gordon families there. I wonder if there's a connection.

[ianfield]

Hi Gordon

I'm still trying to understand out how rootschat works!  I came across it completely by chance through a Google search for Muriel Johnston.  I can fill in some details about the Hamiltons.

I don't know anything about Victor's parents, but he was one of five siblings.

James, born 23/3/1902 married Nora Crichton.  James was a milkman.
Etta, born 5/8/1905 never married.  She died about 30 years ago, but I met her many times.  She lived in Belfast, then in Bangor Co Down.
Minnie, born 28/2/1912 married James Scott Foster on 28/7/1941 in Belfast.  The did not have any children.  We are related through a sister of James, Jane, who was my wife's grandmother.
Victor, for whom the only details I have are that he married Muriel Johnston in Canada and had a daughter Margaret.
Willie who married Iris and had one child, and then married Cissie West with whom he had no children.

James and Nora had five children.  Muriel, *, *, * and David.  Muriel married *, and when Muriel died he married *.  David died aged about 9.  I knew Muriel and we're still in contact with * and *. 

I don't want to put my e-mail address on an open site, but if you're happy to send me your address in a personal message I'll respond.

Ian

* names of people living/possibly living have been removed in accordance with Rootschat policy