Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[despair]

I think I have resolved what I thought was an"an o'maly".
The transcriptions for the 1828 marriage of Esther Sutherland to Alexander Broadfoot(St. Marylebone) has both parties aged 21.This initially led me to believe it was Esther,DAUGHTER of Captain John Sutherland,baptised 1811 in Rathkeale.However,the 1841 census with a Jessie Sutherland present,found by MonicaL,suggests she is a generation older.Given Alexander dying in 1837 aged 57,the transcription probably means "at least 21/of full age" and Esther is actually the SISTER of Capt.John Sutherland,as per the WikiTree,as therefore ,also,is that Jessie.
This is consistent with the WikiTree I referred to.It should be noted that Helen Sutherland also marries a Broadfoot(William) in 1800 on Orkney(home to Captain John's father James,Lord Duffus).

Regards,
Rogrer

[hallmark]

I think that is The Clothier ones in Limerick I posted at some stage.

[MonicaL]

Joe, I have gone back and reposted the image from the will for James Sutherland. Hopefully a little clearer to read. Captain John Sutherland comes up in line 4 of this snip.

From this (and I am bad at reading this old wills!) am I right in seeing that Caption John Sutherland, previously living in Ireland now in Caithness Scotland may have had a second born daughter called Isabella?

This will was written I believe in 1824. If the correct Captain John Sutherland, he was in the right place for Jessie Sophia, daughter, to state she was born in Scotland.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Roger, Esther Sutherland Broadfoot gets many mentions in her father's will.

James had many natural children, just adverse to marriage it seems!

Monica

[MonicaL]

I've been trying to trace the family of Captain John Sutherland of the Galway Militia,and while I have had moderate success with some of his children,I struggled to find his parentage(perhaps more important) and now I know why.
He was one of ten acknowledged illegitimate children of James 5th Lord Duffus and Lady Mary Hay,with whom he eloped.(I think she had been married at 16 or 17 to the commander of the regiment,in which James Sutherland was then captain.They were divorced within a year).
The will of James Lord Duffus is available at The National Archives-not the easiest of reads in the handwriting of the time,but in one of the margins he specifies a "natural daughter" Jessie(which his son is to repeat) and in the body of the will    "....Captain John a(?) Sutherland,my natural son,adjutant to Lord Clancarty (next word difficult),of the Irish Militia,presently residing at Ballinasloe...."

Roger, many moons ago you had posted the detail re James Sutherland's will. Just adding here again to fit with the snip from it above.

Monica

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Joe, I have gone back and reposted the image from the will for James Sutherland. Hopefully a little clearer to read.

Hmmmm....  "A" for effort, but it actually seems worse.

[hallmark]

So Who is  "Duke of"  giving out Deeds?

[hallmark]

I'd forgotten that there is a record of a letter dated 1818 in The Irish National Archives in which John Sutherland of Ballinasloe writes to Dublin seeking employment for his two sons in their sixteenth and sevnteenth years.I don't know whether Richard was one of them,but suggests an earlier,or different marriage for him.

Regards
Roger

...and the Reference for this is?

NAI REFERENCE:    

CSO/RP/1818/581
TITLE:    

John Sutherland, Ballinasloe, County Galway: seeking employment for his two sons
SCOPE & CONTENT:    

Letter from John Sutherland, Ballinasloe, County Galway, to William H Gregory, Under Secretary of Ireland, Dublin Castle, requesting situations of employment for his two sons. Relates that the boys, one in his sixteenth, the other in his seventeenth year, are ‘both good English scholars’.
EXTENT:    

1 item; 3pp  £ pages....has anyone got a copy of it??
DATE(S):    16 Jan 1818
DATE EARLY:    1818
DATE LATE:    1818
ORIGINAL REFERENCE:    CSORP1818/S9

Did anyone find out names of sons?

[hallmark]

I think that is The Clothier ones in Limerick I posted at some stage.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-MQ6T-K?i=524&cat=185720