Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[Sue222]

Hello again Joe
I haven't read through all 32 pages of this thread so this might have already been covered, but at one time you were looking for a Captain John Sutherland and a John Burke, gentleman, parents of the bride and groom on a marriage certificate.
If you go to this book
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7eYNAAAAQAAJ
on page 113 there is a list of officers of the Galway Militia (Ireland) in 1825 which includes a Captain John Sutherland and a Lieutenant John Burke.

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Hello Sue222:

So nice of you to dig up this intriguing information.  Do you know anything about this document?  Specifically, do you know what the dates are that follow each name?  Are they birthdates?  Couldn't find any explanatory information in the book.

Well lets see:  James Francis Burke was born in 1829, so, if we suppose the Lt. Burke in this listing is JFB's dad, the Jan. 2 1803 date shown could be Lt. Burkes birthday, so it would support that.

Similarly, Jessie Sutherland was born in 1828, so again, if we suppose that this listing for Capt. Sutherland is Jessie's dad, the Sept 14, 1803 date shown for Capt. John Sutherland could be his birthday.

Sue!  This could be HUGE!  Really HUGE!

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Might there be some other military records that that you'd suggest that could tell us more about these two men? 

[despair]

I'm fairly confident this is the (Adjutant) Captain John Sutherland(1771-1847) I've always proposed.The date I suspect is that of enlistment,not birthday,but I could always be wrong.
I also proposed that John Burke would be known to him through a military connection,and,without checking,this might have been the one I suggested.The difficulty,if I remember,was being confident as to which John Burke it was.(He was given as "gentleman" on JFB's marriage certificate).

Regards
Roger

[hallmark]

Maybe not yours...but

Marriage shortly to be had between SUTHERLAND   Louisa Anne of Dublin city   spinster eldest daughter of SUTHERLAND   Hugho Alexander, Capt 10th Foot+ CROKER   William Roberts   of Dublin city, SUTHERLAND Louisa Anne in own right a sum of money secured on various lands

https://familysearch.org/search/film/008092798?cat=185720&i=-1 

Vol   825
Page   513
Memorial 555448

[hallmark]

Source for above...

https://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=555448

[Sue222]

I agree the dates are probably enlistment, not birth. What is the sticking point at the moment - that we don't have a birth record for Jessie Sophia Sutherland so can't be sure that she is the daughter of Captain John Sutherland in the militia?
I am wondering if a will might help. Did anyone discover who Jessie's brothers and sisters were?

[despair]

It's true that a confident birth record was not found for Jessie Sophia.A number of other children can be found for Adjutant Captain Sutherland(but no will for him as far as I know).He in turn is acknowledged in the will of James Sutherland,5th Lord Duffus,as one of his many illegitimate children(reportedly at least ten!)

Regards
Roger

[hallmark]

I agree the dates are probably enlistment, not birth. What is the sticking point at the moment - that we don't have a birth record for Jessie Sophia Sutherland so can't be sure that she is the daughter of Captain John Sutherland in the militia?
I am wondering if a will might help. Did anyone discover who Jessie's brothers and sisters were?

The only Sutherland Will I see at NLI is this one but is is Dated for after it was proven...
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