Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[despair]

The thing I did notice is that the cemetery is Wesleyan.I don't know what,if any, implications this may have for finding non-conformist records in Scotland?
I'm more used to looking in Wales.

Regards
Roger

[MonicaL]

I have in previous times looked through the online resource of the pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk looking at the Old Parish Register entries which is all that is available at this time (official registration in Scotland began in 1855). The OPR entries are predominantly for the established Church of Scotland (ie. Presbyterian). Scotlands People databases also include available Roman Catholic Registers. To search further would require local searches in Edinburgh at the NRS to check other religious denomination registers.

The indexes of Family Search which are pretty good for Scotland haven't thrown anything new up either, apart from the marriage for Jessie in 1850.

Monica

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Roger!!!!!!!

Wow!!  Another Wow!!  That Find-A-Grave information is completely new to me!  It shows exactly how old James Francis Burke was at his death:  65y 1m 17d, which of course reveals his birthdate:  20 July, 1829!  Did I get the math right?  (death date 6 Sept., 1894) (interesting that he has always reported 1830 as his birth year). 

And there's a photo of Jessie's gravestone with inscription with birthdate:  Sept. 3, 1828! (though the transcription shows 1829, which is understandable when viewing the photo and by all accounts is incorrect).  Unbelievably awesome! 

 

I should call it a day, with this great stuff, but of course this is family research, to which heroin is a gateway drug.

My Family Search search in the 1841 census for Jessie Sutherland b. Scotland 1828 father John shows up with only two possibilities: 

one in Loth parish, Sutherland county, and one in Forfashire (Angus).

Why don't the parent's show in those listings?  And when I search for John Sutherland in Loth parish, I get 41 hits!  Really?  41 John Sutherlands living in Loth Parish in 1841??

But they don't list children.  Isn't there a way to look at the entire family for a particular census listing?

I gotta lay off for awhile and get back to my real life.

Thanks again Roger.  So great!

Joe

[despair]

AS someone has said before,there is also the possibility of a record under the name of Janet.There are quite a few Scottish records that have Janet(Jessie),or the reverse as the first name.
I don't know why but I have a hunch for Helen as part of Jessie's mother's name.I think you said her first child was Mary Helen?Pure speculation,but names often run in families,don't they?

Regards
Roger

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Yes, Mary Helen b. 1855 d. 1879
then Alice b. 1858 d. ?
then John James b. 1861

Joe

[despair]

I've just found an interesting newspaper snippet which I will try to follow up tomorrow that references(to paraphrase)...."Captain Sutherland,brother of George Sutherland Esq.of Forse,who holds a commission in the Scots Greys.."
It does not specify John,of course.The description of George is exactly that of the 1861 Clontarf record.The article is dated June 1855 and must reference the Crimean War.
Until I found this I was wondering whether the Captain John Sutherland you were looking for might have been in the employ of The Honourable East India Company.That might still be a possibility.
The article also has an interesting other name included......I'll"keep my powder dry"(military pun intended) on that one till I've done a bit more sleuthing.

Regards
Roger

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Roger:

I'd hate for you to go off half-cocked.  Fire when ready.

Joe

[despair]

It seems that the Scots Greys,also known as the 2nd Dragoons were in Dublin in 1850

http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/850DAA.pdf

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Probably(?) not related but I came across the following portrait of Anne,Duchess of Sutherland(born 1828 as Anne Hay McKenzie)
A very similar look,and apart from the central rosette(?),a remarkably similar dress.

Regards
Roger