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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #279 on: Monday 11 January 16 00:00 GMT (UK) »
Newspaper cuttings relating to the Caufield family, Stewartstown, Co. Tyrone, 1864-1942. Correspondence relating to Lord Charlemont's resignation as Minister of Education in Northern Ireland, 1937

Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 1083 and other papers relating to him.
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« Reply #280 on: Monday 11 January 16 00:26 GMT (UK) »
Wills and administrations of  Hon. Elizabeth M. Caulfeild, Hockley, Co. Armagh, Dec. 1878.
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, T. 864 (11-14)
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« Reply #281 on: Monday 11 January 16 00:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks,Hasta - dense is hardly an adequate description! The Lady Anne Daly mentioned is the wife of Den(n)is Daly of Raford,I believe,different to the Lady Ann Daly,wife of Michael Daly of Mount Pleasant and Tokay Lodge,father of Den(n)nis Daly of the Galway Militia.
Hi Roger.
That line refers to Denis Daly of Raford and wife Lady Anne De Burgh, who were Michael Daly's parents.

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #282 on: Monday 11 January 16 01:09 GMT (UK) »
Hallmark:

Yes, all baptism records are from St. Xavier Church in Cincinnati.

Will be sending an inquiry on any other baptisms/deaths at the same church between 1850 and 1855.

Joe
Burke, Sutherland, Curtis, Cuter, Koplik


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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #283 on: Monday 11 January 16 05:35 GMT (UK) »
Will push this week to retain the services of the appraiser for the portrait.

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #284 on: Monday 11 January 16 06:08 GMT (UK) »
Lady Joanna Gore and Michael Daly married in 1766.
 
What year was their son Dennis Daly born?

So what precise year did their son Dennis Daly wed?

What year was Katherine Daly born?






Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #285 on: Monday 11 January 16 08:08 GMT (UK) »
Denis Daly was baptised in 1767.I do not know when or to whom he was married nor when Katherine was born,but I believe she married  John Sutherland in 1809.This would suggest an approx. date for the marriage(if there  was one) and a birth of 1788.

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« Reply #286 on: Tuesday 12 January 16 04:12 GMT (UK) »
The only concrete fact I would like to add right now is that I only have ONE indication that Jesse Sutherland was born in Scotland, and that is from the US Census, which, unsupported, is not enough to go on.  So, really, I have no idea where her family is from.

I've been going over information Roger sent me and posts from way back in 2014 and really, we are just turning over soil that we've plowed numerous times before, without any improvement in clarity regarding James Francis Burke's parents, or Jessie Sofia Sutherland's parents.  This line of attack is a dead end.  Sorry for jumping in without taking the time to figure that out in the first place.  Until that portrait and ring get appraised, I'll hold my tongue.

I made email contact with the appraiser in Philadelphia, and we will try to make phone contact on Wednesday.  Will keep you all informed of progress.

Thanks all.

Joe
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #287 on: Wednesday 31 January 18 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello to all my fellow researchers and kind contributors to this subject:  Lady Anne of Clontarf, Ireland.  Hope you are all well and finding answers to all those mysteries out there.  I so miss being steeped in the pursuit.

Regarding Lady Anne, a smidgen of progress:  my cousin near Baltimore, who has the portrait, has recently brought it to an archival framer to remove the work from the frame.  An appraiser was also present, and unfortunately there were no marks/signatures anywhere to be seen.

Afterwards my cousin took the portrait to a paper conservator at Johns Hopkins Univ., with the goal of determining the age and origin of the paper.  They determined that it was from the mid to late 18th century and of a type used in the UK, which supports our figuring that Lady Anne was born somewhere between 1752 & 1783.

During the many years of this quest to find Lady Anne's identity, my aunts and uncle who have treasured this story from their childhood have been passing away.  Last fall my mom's older sister passed away, which leaves my mom, the youngest of four siblings, the last of those who heard their grandma Jesse Koplik (ne: Curtis) tell stories about their mysterious "royal" ancestor's portrait, ring, and dress.  Can you imagine what that meant to a bunch of poor kids in a tenement during the depression, and the images it stirred in their heads?

In the last month, my mom was diagnosed with lymphoma, which motivated me to contact my cousin to finally have the painting looked at, to find out any extra information it might reveal.  I so want to be able to find out who the heck Lady Anne really was while my mom is still around.  I watch some of those ancestry programs on TV and get so jealous of the focus and resources they are able to devote to a subject.  I wish I had the time and energy to do more myself, but my work and inability to stay up late at night - like I used to at the beginning of this journey - just won't allow it.

What am I trying to say here?  Not so sure.  I guess this seems like the end of the road and I'm sad and upset about that.  On the scale of things that really matter in the world, not knowing who, exactly, Lady Anne is, is pretty low I guess, just a want on my part to find out something to satisfy my curiosity. 

It has been fun, interesting, and I love how it's connected me with my living relatives and total strangers from all corners of the planet. I also am so grateful to have found and learned about ancestors from long ago and far away:  their stories have given me a greater appreciation for
how good I have it, and a very clear perspective that their struggles and bravery have a lot to do with my great life.  I aspire to invoke my ancestors whenever I think life is tough. 

So, this isn't the destination I had imagined, but I gotta say, the journey has been something I never could have imagined.  Thank you all for being so generous with your time, knowledge, and energy.

Regards,

Joe O.
Burke, Sutherland, Curtis, Cuter, Koplik