Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[despair]

Firstly I had hoped that there was some small new piece of evidence you had uncovered that lead to your latest speculation,but it isn't evident to me.Rather than critique your speculation,I would prefer if you would reconsider the following alternative,particularly as I think in previous generation calculations I have failed to recognise that Jessie Koplik and Jessie Curtis are one and the same.
Consider the following sequence:-

Jessie Koplik(nee Curtis),daughter of
Charles Curtis/Alice Burke   (Mother)
James Francis Burke/Jessie Sophia Sutherland(GM)
John Sutherland/Katherine Daly(GGM)
Dennis Daly/ Unknown(2 GGM)
Michael Daly/Lady Jo(h)anna Gore(3GGM)

Lady Joanna Gore  had been married before,but married Michael Daly in 1766.The 1767 baptism record of Den(n)is Daly clearly gives the mother as Lady Ann Daly,obviously how she was known at the time.Further one of Michael Daly's residences was Tokay Lodge,incidentally next to "Lord Charlemont's demesne".So at this time she could be Lady Ann of Clontarf(the residence was sold circa 1807).

These are all documented relationships.Further Den(n)is Daly is at some point a Lieutenant in the Galway Militia where John Sutherland is Captain and Adjutant.John Sutherland has a daughter Jessie baptised 1824,but a Jane(the name generally sometimes rendered Jessie) baptised(not necessarily born) in 1829.The likelihood is that she was born in Ireland not Scotland,but I notice on Jessie Burke's death record(?) there is a reference to Ireland,which I assume is her birth place(?)

http://drc.libraries.uc.edu/bitstream/handle/2374.UC/332823/18890401d_4.JPG?sequence=1

All of this together makes a much more compelling case to me.

Regards
Roger

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Roger:

Gotta say your sequence is pretty convincing.  Pardon me for not thoroughly reviewing all these pages before doing the summary.  That's embarrassing.

Would love to look into the Sutherlands, Daly's and Lady Gore that you've uncovered.  Any suggestions of where to look?

Regarding Jessie Sutherland's birthplace:  I believe that the only source for her being born in Scotland is the 1880 Census.  Yes, you are correct that her Cincinnati index card death record shows "Ireland" in the space reserved for national origin.

Sincerely,

Joe

[despair]

Lots of sources,I'm afraid,Joe(usually pay sites)
www.thepeerage.com(free)
www.rootsireland.ie(pay)
www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk(pay)

Those are my immediate thoughts and a start!

Regards
Roger

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Know how I can remove the pdf?

Joe

[whiteout7]

Joe O -

"Arthur [Gore], 1st Viscount Sudley later 1st Earl of Arran, PC
1st son of Sir Arthur Gore, 2nd Bt. MP, of Castle Gore, co. Mayo, by his wife Elizabeth Annesley, 1st dau. of Maurice Annesley, of Little Raith, co. Kildare
born
1703
mar.
10 Mar 1730/1 Jane Worth (bapt. 20 Dec 1704; widow of William Worth, of Rathfarnham;  d. 20 Mar 1747), only dau. and hrss. of Richard Saunders, of Saunders Court, co. Wexford
children
1. Hon Arthur Saunders Gore, later 2nd Earl of Arran
2. Hon Richard Gore MP (bapt. 31 Jul 1734), mar., and had issue
3. Hon Paul Gore, mar. Anne Leonard, dau. of William Leonard, and had issue
1. Lady Joanna Gore, mar. (1) 29 Aug 1750 Philip Doyne, of Wells, co. Wexford (dsp. 11 Mar 1765), and (2) Michael Daly, of Mount Pleasant, co. Galway (d. 23 Oct 1808)
2. Lady Elizabeth Gore, mar. 15 Jul 1764 Sir John Evans later Evans-Freke, 1st Bt., and had issue died 17 Apr 1773"
http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/arran1762.htm

 Lady Joanna Gore? Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[whiteout7]

The Right Honourable Lady Ann (nee Gore) Daly listed with R and P Gore her brothers in 1774 the other sister Lady Elizabeth (nee Gore) Evans-Freke died in 1773

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=NL5DAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=the+right+honourable+lady+ann+daly&source=bl&ots=xpX5sFtkAE&sig=7wOXeYOotXEQknQxzp8U0hjuIKc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrlo3ajpzKAhVlIKYKHSYXA-UQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=the%20right%20honourable%20lady%20ann%20daly&f=false

[whiteout7]

Lady Johanna Gore and Michael Daly's issue from the Peerage:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p2010.htm#i20098

Their son Dennis Daly (named after Michael's father Dennis Daly, Micheal's mother is a Lady Anne De Burgh)

Then Denis Daly's daughter Katherine Daly

[despair]

I wouldn't be too embarrassed by the pdf,I went through the same thought process,and came to the same conclusion at one point,and,of course,it may still be correct(I convinced myself that the picture had the right features,particularly nose and mouth!).You can go back to your post for a period and "modify" if you want.

Regards
Roger

[whiteout7]

Lady Joanna Gore was the daughter of an Earl - Arthur Gore, 1st Earl of Arran.

Family stories can become different over time, especially when heirlooms pass from a female side of the family to a male one.