Lady Ann of Clontarf?

[despair]

As I've made no further progress at the moment,I thought I'd resort to whimsy:-

In the Griffith Valuation there is an Edward Burke(with a Patrick Lawless) and a James Burke in Back Lanes next to Dollymount listed under Greenlanes.

This may or may not be him,but I hope we can rule him out as the one we are seeking(!)

http://books.google.gr/books?id=WRktAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA510&dq=clontarf+%2B+%22john+burke%22+%2B+gentleman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gWULU5H_D4PP0AXB84GABw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=clontarf%20%2B%20%22john%20burke%22%20%2B%20gentleman&f=false

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Following my whimsy(apologies if this was inappropriate) I have resumed the search and am currently trying to find out more about John Sutherland born in  Clyne,Scotland,who first served in the Reay Fencibles and became adjutant and captain in the Galway militia,which he served for more than 42 years,according to a report of 1845.He had a daughter Jesse in late 1824 and a further daughter Jane in 1829(both baptised in Galway).Jane can sometimes be rendered as Jess(ie),though I can't see a death for the Jesse to make Jane a "replacement"His wife's name was Catherine(possibly Sutherland).

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Here is a Burke "theory I am looking at:-
It starts with a pair of brothers,Sir Thomas Burke and William Burke,sons of Sir John Burke and his wife Mary Carroll.
Thomas Burke's line leads to the 2nd Baronet(1782-1847) who has a residence at Ely Place,Dublin
In 1850 there is a Francis James Burke at Ely Place,but he does not appear to be the son of this line.
William Burke marries Theresa Kirwan and their residence is Ower of Galway.(There are also a lot of Kirwans in the Galway militia).They have a son John Burke(1776-1849).Could both Mary Helena and Francis James(aka James Francis) be the children of this John,with Francis James staying at a relatives house prior to the wedding and needing a guardian,because his father has died the year before?

Regards
Roger

[despair]

There are a number of reports in the 1850s and 1860s,generally under the headings of "Incumbered Estates" that refer to Maria Burke.One in particular in 1863 following her death specifies her as the widow of John Burke of Ower.
There is a baptismal record for a Francis Burke born to John and Maria Burke in Galway in 1830.It does not specify an address but has "Ardranny".I will check to see if I can reconcile this data.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

I have found a genealogy for the Burkes of Ower and I think the John I specified may have died without children(seems to be a common theme in my enquiries).However,I still think this family with many branches is worth further investigation for a different John.

Regards
Roger

[Joseph L. Oliver]

Roger:

Inappropriate?  After my latest directive to stay on the Burkes, and seeing how much work and creativity you put into them, I have no right to stop you from taking a vacation in sunny Sutherland.

Where are you?  Can I bake you a pie?

Joe

 

[despair]

Thanks for the pie offer,but it would have to journey to North Wales.
I still don't feel we have necessarily closed in on either of the families.The Sutherland/Galway militia connection is a possible but the age discrepancy for Jesse is worrying.I haven't managed to trace the parents families back in Sutherland to see if they have any aristocratic connections.
The Burke/Ely Place connection looked suitable from that point of view.I still find it interesting.The 2nd Baronet of the main line(a John Burke) died at Ely Place in 1847 and while he had offspring he didn't have a Francis James as far as I can tell(one article I need to find again suggested he had more children than the main literature suggests,but is possibly an error).I can't find a credible alternative Francis James Burke to fit the person in Ely Place in 1850(same house?-can't tell)......and the "2nd Baronet had a sister Anne Burke,who married Sir Henry Joseph Tichborne and might therefore have been "Lady Anne"..........but I can't find a picture of her(she died in 1858).

Regards
Roger

[despair]

I've resolved the discrepancy with the children of John Burke,2nd Baronet and it doesn't help(partially because it didn't need to).He did have more children than listed in the online Peerage, but no Francis James.It was his son Charles that was listed at Ely Place in 1850.Francis James Burke,whoever he was,is listed at 5 Grenville Place.I'm running out of drawing boards to go back to.....

Regards
Roger

[despair]

If at first you don't succeed......pie,pie,pie again?

Surely there are too many coincidences in the following set of data for there not to be a connection,but not yet a solution,to your quest:-

In the O'Donovan's Field Name Series compiled in the 1840s there is this entry for James Burke Esq at Burkes Court in Galway.The property is in the name of Sir John Burke(2nd Baronet as referred to previously,who dies in 1847 in Dublin.The other name-Hyacinth Clark is his agent.)

http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/asp/fullresult.asp?id=46413

In 1851,there is an entry in Encumbered Estates for Edward Burke of Clonco/Burkes Court,with Hyacinth Clark named again.Given the death of Sir John Burke and the famine background etc,perhaps the estate was in trouble and selling off parts.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1083

And where is the property of Burkes Court described as being  situated? "..10 chains(220yds) from a castle that has a number of variant spellings including "Clondegoff"(It may also be that this is in the parish/diocese of Clonfert!)

http://www.travelmania-ireland.com/place.php?id=1034

Further,Sir John Burke was a military man(Colonel of the 98th Foot),but,importantly,he was Vice Lord Lieutenant of the County.The Lord Lieutenant is in charge of the local militia-in this case,obviously the Galway militia,in which John Sutherland as previously described,served for 42 years.

I am not necessarily implying that James Burke Esq is the son of Sir John Burke(?),as he is not acknowledged as such as far as I can see.Sir John may be the landowner and some other branch of the Burke/De Burghs may be in residence.The Clanricardes were associated at some point.
As I also said before Sir John Burke had a sister who probably would have been known as Lady Anne due to her marriage.

Regards
Roger