Huggins-Hogan in Cork>>>>Complete for time being thanks to you all<<<<<

[shanew147]

Unfortunately no Irish census before 1901 survives in full.. a few fragments of much earlier census (e.g. 1851)  survive, but none for Cork that I know of.

The IrishGenealogy website is adding further RC Co. Cork records, so it might be worth keeping an eye on that to see if any of the baptisms or the marriage shows up. It might also be worth checking the BMD index on familysearch (see the Introduction topic mentioned earlier) yourself to see if you spot anything I may have missed - or even widen the search to neighbouring counties e.g Tipperary, Waterford, Kerry or even Limerick.



Shane

[suzyvan]

Thanks for that Shane will do all the above and keep struggling on!

[suzyvan]

Hello,
The oldest child James of this Hogan Marriage changed his name from Hogan to Huggins when he married at age twenty one and remained a Huggins til his death.

I am wondering if this is a common thing with this Hogan Family name?

He was the only one of 9 children to do so......Huggins.....  is  similar to.... Hogan ....is this a common interchangeable thing with this name?

Look forward to any thoughts on this!
Suzy

 edit;   Have modified title to get more exposure

[ftcorkmdb]

At least in the area south of Cork City, in the 19th century, Hogan and Huggins were considered the same name.  One priest or official would write it as Hogan, another as Huggins, probably with little attention to which form the bearer of the name used on any particular occasion.  This was the case with many surnames, and, more frequently, with given names.   Until literacy was universal, the written form of a name may not have represented what a person actually called him- or herself. 

[celtic liberty]

Hi Suzy,

I have traced them all to St Finbarrs South Church, Dunbar Street, Cork which is in the City area.

They all seem to be under the "Huggins" surname.

Couldn't find marriage for Richard Huggins & Mary Manning but found some of their children's births - although John's not listed - others as follows
Wm Josh baptised           15 Oct 1843
Josh Huggins baptised      3 Dec 1844
Denis Huggins baptised   12 June 1846
Michael Huggins baptised 13 Jan 1854
Wm Huggins  baptised      24 Oct 1857
John not listed it is possible that the Josh should in fact be John!!

A marriage for John Huggins & Eliza Sullivan 15 May 1870 sponsors
James Sullivan & Richard Huggins
Children for John & Eliza all as you named them but dates as follows

Richard Huggins bapt.  20April 1871  spons Richard Huggins & Eliza Sullivan
Mary bapt  16 Sept 1873                    spons.  Joan Harrington
James bapt 2 April 1876 Dob 31 Mar 1876 spElizabeth Sullivan/Ml Noonan
Catherine Huggins (address Togher Road) bapt 12 Aug 1878 DOB 10 Aug1878
John Huggins ( address Lough Road) bapt 7 Sept 1879 DOB 3 Sept 1879

Baptism for Eliza Sullivan (also at St Finbarrs South Church Dunbar St Cork)
11 Oct 1849 parents James Sullivan and Cathn Mihigan ( note spelling)
Baptism for James Sullivan (Eliza's brother) Baptism 1 Jan 1852

If you wanted to get any certs for the above you could write to the
Cork Registrar of Births , Marriages and Deaths, Adelaide Street, Cork and request photocopies for genealogy purposes which are cheaper and state all of the above at St. Finbarrs South Church. 

Couldn't resist doing a little research today.   I have a few photos of the church which I might put up.
Happy Christmas

Mary

[ftcorkmdb]

Note that the person who indexed the records of the South Parish invariably wrote 'Josh' when, on the original page, the priest has written the 'h' above the line, so that it is meant to be the abbreviation for 'Joseph'.

[suzyvan]

Big thank you thank you  to ftcorkmdb for explaining the name variables.

Great work celtic liberty , I had just rounded up all my John and Eliza/abeth children, was so good to get verification of the Hogin/Huggins name variable to enable me to move forward.
Is it worth me getting the grow certificates?
Thank you so much .....and also..... .
Very much appreciated
suzy

[ftcorkmdb]

Also South Parish:  On 22 March 1853, a William, son of Richard Hogan & Marry Manning, was baptized, with godparents John Joyce and Catherine Manning.  One can assume that the first William had died, and that this William was to die before a third William was baptised in 1857.  A first son was almost always named for the father's father.  In this case, it appears that three attempts were made to name a child William, pretty convincing evidence that Richard's father was a William.

[ftcorkmdb]

You seem to be a lucky researcher.  It looks like Richard Huggins was born in 1818, son of William Huggins and Catherine Cogan, whose marriage I have in my database covering Passage West parish:
19 Jan 1810:  William Hogan and Catherine Cogan, of Passage West, married in Passage West R.C. parish (much of which is in Carrigaline civil parish).  Witnesses:  Richard Cogan and Joseph Hogan.
Many priests preferred the fathers of the bride and groom to be the witnesses, which may be the case here. No children of William and Catherine were baptized in Passage West, but I see some in the South Parish. 
The Cogans are still very much a presence in Passage and Carrigaline, where the ruins of Cogans' Castle are a landmark.