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[suzyvan]

Hello,
I need some guidance as to how to find a marriage for a John Hogan and Elizabeth Sullivan 19 April 1970 or 15 May 1870 in Cork, These dates are taken from two of their children's birth certificates in Aust..given by their father who was the informant.

I have purchased the only John Hogan marriage on line for 1870 Co Cork... alas it is not correct, marriage was 22 Feb 1870 to Ellen O'Shea.

Is there anyway I can research this marriage? by the way they are Catholics. Do the Catholic Church hold records for 1870's?
Look forward to any advice.
Suzy
EDIT; Have changed title to get more exposure.

[shanew147]

Did you buy a Marriage Cert from the GRO or a transcript online ?

An 1870s marriage should be included in the Civil records, so would be in the BMD Index - see :  Introduction to Irish Records

RC parish records for part of west county Cork and City are available (free) at : www.irishgenealogy.ie

Do you have any idea what part of Co. Cork John & Ellen married ?


Shane

[suzyvan]

Hello and thank you for your reply.

No we have no idea where, they always said Cork we presume that's what it meant and not Co Cork, I know Cork is in Co Cork but what it means who knows.

I got the certificate of the Transcript online.

I will try these couple of links and see what I can come up with.

They also State that John Hogan's father is Richard Hogan and mother Mary Manning.  Richard was a market gardener

Elizabeth Sullivan's father is down as James Sullivan and mother Catherine Meaghan.

At least 4 and possibly 5 children were born in Cork as well?

Seems they came to Australia 1881-1882.
Thank you Suzy

[shanew147]

Depends on the source but Cork could mean City or County...  I would say I'm from Dublin, but live in Co. Dublin - not the City.

The IrishGenealogy website only covers parish records for part of the city, and I dont believe any other website covers the remainder of the city at present.

Both surnames are quite common in Cork (especially Sullivan) but I'll have a search later of the Civil Index and see if I can find any possible cross matches for John & Elizabeth...


Shane

[suzyvan]

Thank you Shane I do appreciate any help I can get.
Suzy

[shanew147]

so far I've only been able to find one Co. Cork John Hogan marriage in 1870 (index references below), but no corresponding record for an Elizabeth Sullivan or O'Sullivan.

 Name: John Hogan
 Registration District: Kanturk
 Event Type: Marriage
 Year: 1870
 volume : 5 / page : 354

Kanturk registration district and town are located in north west Co. Cork. I'll widen the search years and see if the year might be slightly out..

p.s. what are the dates & names of the children born in Cork ?


Shane

[suzyvan]

the children are;

1; Richard Hogan, c 1871;

2; Mary Hogan c 1873

3; James  c 1877

4; John Patrick c 1879

5; Catherine c1881-82? not sure if she is Ireland or Aust or even at sea.??

These are all circa either way ages worked from information on birth and death certificates of parents and siblings born Aust.
Thanks Shane

The marriage I got was Parish/District; SHANDRUM. wife was Ellen O'Shea. was incorrect.

[shanew147]

widening the search to 1870 +-2 years gives another four possible John Hogan marriages in Cork - but no cross matches that I can find to an Elizabeth [O']Sullivan. I've listed them below for reference in case anyone else can trace anything,

Of the children you mentioned I'd say Richard is the least common name so I had a look for his birth on the BMD index in Cork around 1871, but again found nothing promising.

Are you sure the family were from Cork, or is it possible that they just have left Ireland from the port (Cobh) in Cork ?


Shane

 John Hogan / Registration District: Kinsale
  Year: 1868 / volume : 5 / page : 477

 John Hogan / Registration District: Kilmallock
  Year: 1872 / volume : 5 / page : 413

 John Hogan / Registration District: Middleton
  Year: 1871 / volume : 14 / page : 381

 John Hogan / Registration District: Bandon
  Year: 1871 / volume : 5 / Page : 26

[suzyvan]

Hi Shane,
Well it is any ones guess,They always said Cork on the certificates..that's all we have to go on.
A family member was saying he thought it was Tipperary.. but then we find this on the certificates and went with that, I agree that maybe it is incorrect, and maybe that is the reason that they left from the port of Cork?

I cannot find any shipping records for the family either .....so they are a real mystery this Hogan Family.

Was there an 1881 census records that survived in Ireland?

I do appreciate your help Shane, thank you.
Suzy