missing murray link

[gaisgeach]

I picked up my gggrandmother on both the 1901/1911 census. Her name was Mary Murray. Her son Daniel was killed in Stephens Green in 1916. Family history has it that she married a Scot who was obviously not around in 1901 or 1911. I dont know his name and could only guess that it would be a popular family name. Any help on this one?

[Elwyn Soutter]

If you have Daniel's age and county of birth from the censuses, have you looked for his birth certificate? That should give you his father's name, assuming his parents were married. Or did Daniel marry? His marriage cert would usually have the father's name too.

[gaisgeach]

Thank you Elwyn. Daniel was engaged to marry when he was killed. I believe that his father did marry as family history says that he changed his religion to marry. He was from Scotland and moved to dublin. I would love to find out where in Scotland as i'm living here myself now.

[Elwyn Soutter]

I can see what I think might be Daniel’s birth on the LDS pilot site:

Daniel Joseph Murray b Oct – Dec 1882 Dublin South Vol 2 page 646

I think I can see him and his siblings in the censuses, with widowed Mary. If I am right, he had a brother Stephen whose birth appears to be Dub North 1877 Vol 2 p 659.  Sister Martha might be Dub N 1874 Vol 17 p 584. Some of the other siblings are not so obvious due to names being more common.

You can order photocopies of these birth certs from GRO in Roscommon. It’ll cost you €4 for each. www.groireland.ie/   Assuming I have identified the correct events (and you should know that from the mothers name and the addresses etc) you’ll get the elusive father’s name.

Mary Murray was b c 1843 so there’s a chance that her marriage predates the start of stat marriages in Ireland (1864) in which case you should check the parish records for her church to see if you can trace the marriage that way.

I think you should be able to find Daniel’s fathers name. Your real problem may be tracing where he came from in Scotland, especially if you don’t have his father’s name, which may be the case if the marriage was pre 1864.


Elwyn

[aghadowey]

IGI has a Stephen Murray born 26 Dec.1876 Dublin (parents George Murray and Mary Golding).
Also a Martha Murray born 18 Nov.1874 Dublin North (parents George Murray and Mary Golden).
Other children are Thomas Christopher (1867), Anne (1871), Maria Theresa (1873), George (1881)- see www.familysearch.org

[Elwyn Soutter]

George Murray married Mary Golding Dublin S 1866 Vol 2 p 881. That should give you his father's name, which may help you take the research back in Scotland. (If he was Scottish, which you haven't yet established!).

[aghadowey]

George Murray son of Thomas and Mary Golding daughter of Daniel- marriage 12 Feb.1866 St. Andrew's R.C. Church, Dublin here- http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ (also baptisms of children).

[gaisgeach]

Thanks again.

There is no doubt that this is the family. I've looked at the site which is amazing and opened up another can of worms. Who are the Goldings? sounds like a Jewish name but obviously Catholic in the records.

Noticed that there were no Murrays as witnesses for the marriage of George Murray and Mary Golding. Is there any way of finding George's age. I can then begin a search here in Scotland, as i now have his fathers name, Thomas.

[aghadowey]

It's not uncommon to find variations in surnames- Golding and Golden are just that.

If George Murray died in Ireland he should be listed in civil registration index-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347