1861/1871 lookup please

[jubee]

Hello,
I'm trying fo find a John and Hannah Stone both b.c.1836 on the 1861/1871 censuses.

On the 1881 census (Ref: RG11 3929/68 pg 34) Hannah is a widow with children Thomas b. c. 1862, John b.c. 1860, Emma b.c. 1867 and James Henry b.c. 1876. in Hulme Manchester living with a possible relative John Mould. (He had married a Hannah Stone in 1845)

I've found a death for a John Stone in 1/4 to Dec 1875 and from James Henry's marriage in 1904 his father is "John Stone (deceased)".

Any help would be gratefully appreciated 

jubee


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[MaryA]

To make things easier I think you should give the details from the 1881 census since the birthplaces are important

4 Ribston Street, Hulme, Manchester
John Mould Head Widow 64 Coal Dealer Stafford Sudbury
Hannah Stone Widow 45 Derbyshire Boylestone
Thomas Son 19 Carter Lancashire Manchester
John son 21 Blacksmith Cheshire Didsbury
Emma daur 14 Machine Hand Lancashire Manchester
Jas Hy son 5 School Lancashire Manchester

not easy finding this Hannah and family but I have found

1871
4 Upper Moss Lane, Hulme, Lancashire
John Mould Head M 54 Coal Dealer Derby Roston
Hannah Mould Wife M 63 Derby Boylestone
with lodgers
RG10; Piece:  4005; Folio:  81; Page:  7

[jubee]

Thanks MaryA,
The Sudbury Staffordshire birthplace is what threw me......although looking at a map Boylestone and Roston are not that far away.

Are there any Stones living with them?

[MaryA]

Afraid there are no stones living with them. 

It would be worth investigating the John Mould/Hannah Stone marriage as often looking all round a situation helps to clarify things, but they aren't easy to find either 

[heywood]

Hello,
Not sure if this helps- I was quite confused by the 1881 and 1871 information 

1861  RG9; Piece: 2945; Folio: 87; Page: 29
15 Station Street Manchester

William Higginbotham head 52 yrs house painter b Lancs Chorley
Ann Higginbotham wife 41 yrs b Derbyshire Whornal n(?)
Mary Ann Higginbotham daur 11 yrs
Hannah Stones visitor married 25 yrs b Derbys Boylston
John Stones son to visitor 2 yrs b Manchester
William Stones son to visitor 1 yrs b Manchester
 
regards
heywood
 

[MaryA]

Coming together

1851
something Hodson Street, Salford, Lancashire
John Mould Head M 34 Brewer's Carter Journeyman Roston Derbyshire
Hannah Wife M 42 " "
Emma daur 2 Salford Lancashire
George Stone Nephew 3 " "
Mountford Mouse (possibly House) Visitor Unm 27 Brewer Journeyman Leek Derbyshire Staffordshire
and a few lodgers
HO107; Piece:  2223; Folio:  ; Page:  26

[jubee]

Thanks MaryA and heywood,
I am trying to "go all round the houses" as it were  

See my previous post which started this off:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,470801.0.html

The 1861 info, heywood seems to fit in with ages and places of birth but no husband  

[jubee]

Apologies MaryA your post came through as I posted last message.

My 2x grt grandfather John D Stone was born illegitimate in 1849 at 23 Hodson Street Salford. But in 1851 he is a "nurse child " living in Cheshire. I was intrigued by who was living at Hodson Street in 1851 and found (thanks to a kind RC ) that the Mould's and a nephew George Stone were there so I am trying to unravel the link.

Before I send for any certificates, I'm trying to find as much info as possible to make sure I'm not going off at a tangent......

[heywood]

I am now more confused than ever 

I'm not sure now how these people link to your John D Stone b 1849 in Manchester.
from your previous post you have him in all the censuses so... are you trying to find out what happened to Ann Stone his mother?

Therefore - these people may be of no relevance to your search... or have I missed a vital bit of information?

heywood