COMPLETED Where is this please?

[buona]

In the 1841 Census I have an ancestor living at "Winsor High" in the Preston Quarter of Whitehaven.  I think it might be somewhere near Harras Moor but am not sure. Can anyone identify precisely where it is please?
Many thanks
buona

[MandieP]

The Preston Quarter is south of the town heading towards St Bees. I'm pretty sure Harras Moor doesn't come under the Preston Quarter.

Are there any other addresses/place names mentioned on that census that might help in the search? Even looking at the pages before and after can sometimes give you some clues.

I'll have a glance over the couple of old maps I have and see is anything looks possible. 

[Geoff-E]

What's the person called please?

EDIT:  Mandie, Genuki says that PQ includes Harris Moor

"PRESTON-QUARTER, a township in the parish of St. Bees, ward of Allerdale-above-Derwent, county Cumberland. It is a large township, extending northward from St. Bees to Whitehaven, and contains the hamlet of Harris Moor." http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/StBees/Gaz1868.html

[MandieP]

Well you live and learn! 

I'll widen the search on the map .....just need to find my magnifying glass!! I'm sure the print was easier to read last time I looked 

[Geoff-E]

Do as I say and you will find Windsor Hill - it's midway between High Harras and Low Harras - as it appears in the 1841 census.

Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
Search Whitehaven and select the one in Cumberland.
Change the coordinates to 298500 518500 and click Go
Select the 1865-74 1:2500 map (on the right) and you'll see it.

The census ref is HO107/158-10/18/7

[buona]

Thanks for all this information - struggling to access the map successfully (not very teccy) but I will persevere until I do!

I find old writing difficult to read so the address could have easily been Windsor Hill and not "Winsor High" as I thought.
 
Geoff-E, the lady's name is Elizabeth Dockray
buona

[Geoff-E]

Ah yes ... still, she was at High Harras anyway, wasn't she?  There was actually another Elizabeth Dockray (11) on the previous page at Low Harras.

Yes, it clearly says Winsor High in the census

Note that the head of household at Winsor High was a Yeoman (farmer) while almost everyone else around was a Coal Miner.  This further suggests to me that I've found the right place

[buona]

Geoff-E,
Thanks for all this clarification. I hadn't noticed the "High Harras" on the Census - put it down to my ineptitude (or inexperience if you are feeling kind). 

The Elizabeth Dockray on the previous census page is the wrong age.

Might I pick your brains?  Your experience of genealogy obviously enables you to know that the presence of "Yeoman farmer" among lots of miners indicates that you have the right place.  Could you perhaps explain why - I would be most grateful for the lesson.

Many thanks for all your help and interest
buona

[Geoff-E]

Might I pick your brains?  Your experience of genealogy obviously enables you to know that the presence of "Yeoman farmer" among lots of miners indicates that you have the right place.  Could you perhaps explain why - I would be most grateful for the lesson.

If you look at the "old map" reference I gave earlier, you'll see-

1) a terrace of about a dozen houses - Low Harras
2) a house surrounded by fields - Windsor Hill
3) another group of 10-12 houses - High Harras

It's not too hard to guess where the famer may have lived is it?