PEMBERTON - 1853 Victoria

[may164]

Thank you to everyone who are all helping me solve my riddle.
Mary Anns husband Walter died in Bworth in 1895.

Walter had re married. He married Blanche Coade in 1874. They had four children. Blanche had been previously married to Edward Coade and her maiden name was Nicholls. Blanche died in 1902.On his marriage cert he states that he had been widowed in the 1850's.
Walters son - Walter married Elizabeth Nicholls. They moved to Melbourne.
Thank you Judith for Mary Anns birth and baptism details also her parents names.
Thank you Gerry for the timber contracting award - both William Counsell and Walter Pemberton were my GG Grandfathers, there they were working together and their children married!
Raylen I am most interested in the death notice in 1853 - REG 1765, this is the closest I think I am to Mary. She may have died after arriving in Australia because the family headed straight to the goldfields and there is no trace of her there. Any ideas how I can get a copy of the document, it may have information on it relating to her family and her burial. I am fairly new to all of this.
Sparrett the Walter you have is the son b 1845 and he died in 1925, he was married to Elizabeth Nicholls. He was 8 when he arrived in Australia in 1853. Sydney Pemberton who died in 1961 was the son of Walter and Blanche.
I believe the Blanche Coade/Stewart wedding was Blanches husband Edward Coades sister, also named Blanche. Her father named as William Coade. She then died in 1925
Maree

[judb]

Many thanks Maree for letting us know who is who.

I am assuming that this is their shipping entry -
arriving on the ASIA, 6 Aug 1853, into Melbourne, from Liverpool, fiche 046 page 002

Walter, 30
Mary Ann, 28
Walter, 6
Frederick, 6
Alfred, 4

I think I recall you said you knew she had actually arrived - not died on the ship?

According to an article in The Argus the Asia carried 600 passengers with little or no sickness on board.  The majority of the passengers apparently started on another ship the Ebba Bratre? which met with a mishap off Holyhead and had to return to Liverpool.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4795492?searchTerm=ship%20asia&searchLimits=exactPhrase

Judith

[sparrett]

Hi Maree

For your interest

 Blanche had been previously married to Edward Coade and her maiden name was Nicholls.


Marriages in Victoria

COADE, THOMAS
To ELIZA MORGAN
Year 1854
Reg. #1000

COADE,THOMAS
To BLANCHE NICHOLLS
Year 1868
Reg. # 699

Sue

[sparrett]

Hi Maree,

You probably have the details of the four births you mention to WALTER PEMBERTON and BLANCHE COADE (Nicholls)

{I do note she does not use her previous married name on the births of these children, but her birth name??}

I am only able to see two on the indexes

PEMBERTON , Daisy Josephine
Father Walter
Mother Blanche Nicholls
Year 1887
Reg 26039

PEMBERTON, David Herbert
Father Walter
Mother Blanche Nicholls
Year 1893
Reg. 19356

They are certainly a long time after the marriage 1874!

Sue

EDIT To Add.

A harder look on my part finds the other two births to BLANCHE and WALTER.

PEMBERTON, Sydney Robert
Father Walter
Mother Blanche Nicholls
At Beechworth
Year 1891 #9142


PEMBERTON, Violet Mary Evelyn
Father Walter
Mother Blanche Nicholls
At Beechworth
Year 1889 #18625

Is this the death of BLANCHE in NSW?

NICHOLLS, BLANCHE R.
Reg. 12360.
Year 1902
Father EDWARD
Mother Nathalia
At Sydney

Sue

[sparrett]

Hi May,
I believe this is the arrival of the NICHOLLS family.

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=24
Surname for all NICHOLLS

Mary.  Aged  40.  Arrival  May 1858. Ship Admiral Boxer Ref. 12 462
Samuel  Aged 13 (as above)
Mary Aged 11 (as above)
ELIZABETH Aged 9 (as above)
Catherine Aged 7 (as above)
BLANCHE Aged 5 (as above)
Thomas Aged 4 (as above)
John Aged 2 (as above)

JOHN senior, the husband and father, is not listed, but he did arrive and was a stonemason in Beechworth.  He left a will (died 8/3/1879) with his estate going to his wife MARY ANN NICHOLLS.
She also left a will (died 1896) and eventually joint administration was granted to WALTER JOHN PEMBERTON.

There is marriage in CORNWALL

Dec ¼ 1842 Penzance
Mary Ann COADE
John NICHOLLS Vol 9 Pg 262

Here is a Birth in CORNWALL which fits the shipping age for BLANCHE

June ¼ 1852 Falmouth
Nicholls, Blanche
Vol 5c pg 215

Births for their other children can also be found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Here is the death in Victoria for ELIZABETH NICHOLLS who was married to Walter PEMBERTON Jnr.

PEMBERTON  ELIZABETH ANN
Father JOHN NICHOLLS
Mother MARY COADE
AGEd73
At Ewick
Yr 1920 #1453

It would seem then that ELIZABETH ANN and BLANCHE were sisters.
This does not fit the parental details for the death of  Blanche R. Nicholls in NSW in 1902

[may164]

Hello Sue
You have been very busy and thanks so much. It is bizzarre that Elizabeth and Blanche married father and son Walter Pembertons, though Blanche was 22 and Walter was 47. What is confusing now is that Blanches mother was Mary Coade before she married John Nicholls. On Blanches marriage certificate she states her father as John Nicholls and her mother as Mary Coade, and he own name as Blanche Coade. It looks as though John came out earlier than Mary and it was then Mary who brought her family out. Could this really be our Blanche Nicholls who married Thomas Coade (the same surname as her mother) a relative!!!!!! As she married in 1868 she must have been all of 16 as she was 22 in 1874. Or could she have just used her mothers maiden name on her marriage cert but actually have had an illegitimate child and pretended to be widowed when she married. It looks as if Mary Ann appointed her daughter Elizabeths husband Walter Pemberton JNR as administrator. 
On Blanches marriage cert she stats she is widowed with 1 child.
When Walter SNR dies his children are listed with his eldest Daisy 7 years old. I agree this was a long time after they married in 1874 and Eliza was 37 and Walter was 63.
After Walter dies in 1895 she married again but died in 1902.
Thank you
 

[may164]

I jumped on BDM again last night. When Blanche married Thomas, she was all of 16 and he was 53! Their son born the same year was Edward James Elgin Coade. Thomas died in May 1874 and she married Walter the next month!
Edward married @ 27yrs  in 1895.
I traced the eldest of Blanches and Walters shildren - Violet. She married in 1918 aged 30. I cannot locate Daisy, David or Sydney. They were all quite young when their mother died and I just wonder if another family raised them and they changed their name. I looked under their mothers newly married name also - Tomlinson.
I downloaded the death cert suggested by Raylen and can only presume this is my GG Grandmother Mary Anne, slightly different spelling, but another Mary Anne died on the same day and there is an E on Anne also. With reference to PIMBERTON spelling there are no PIMBERTONS arriving into VIC. There is another Mary Pemberton arriving but the following year 1854.It states she was 32 which is close and she had been in Vic four months, so dying in Dec they arrived in August. Maybe Walter and children left her at the hospital. There are no family details. it see she died of exhaustation and another condition I cannot decipher yet. I have sent off to MGC for burial details so I will see what comes of that.  It was a very moving moment to think I had finally found her but sad that she came here and left her family then died on her own. Thankyou raylen for solving this year long search. I now know not to rely on correct spelling or ages or dates.
Thankyou

[sparrett]

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11516195?searchTerm="Blanche Coade"&searchLimits=

This newspaper item shows BLANCHE to clearly be the "*WIDOW"of THOMAS COADE. And now the *wife of WALTER PEMBERTON the elder.

This *marital status confirmed by the documents in the estate of WALTER PEMBERTON dated 8/5/18*


http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54

His  marriage to BLANCHE was THOMAS COADE's second marriage.

The deaths of the two men show they were brothers

COADE, THOMAS Father John . Mother Blanche Johns. Aged 59 Born Corn  Year 1874 #4645

COODE (sic), WILLIAM   F John. Mother Blanche Johns.  Aged 49 year 1861. #10141

William was the father of the BLANCHE you referred to earlier as marrying STEWART.

Sue

* Marks a change
EDIT.
I have corrected errors in this posting which were reversed in their expression!!! and therefore incorrect. Wrong year typed also.
Thanks to fellowchatter for pointing it out.

[judb]

Letters 'e' and 'i' often look very similar so the spelling difference is not that important.

Where did she die and who was the informant?

It would be really nice if you would transcribe the cetificate for us.

Such a sad story but nice to see you have found her.

Judith