South Wales Borderers Regiment

[Pete Keane]

Miners carried out the tunnelling work under the trenchs in WW1, if you evr see pictures of the huge mines going off along the german lines, they were there as a result of the Tunneling Companies.

Probably best to start a new thread on the WW1 forum re this, lots of help there.

Cheers

Pete

[psychonaut]

David, I'm not sure if you know, but the Angel Hotel is still open for business, opposite the Catsle and Arms Park, right in the middle of Cardiff.  I'd be happy to take a photo or two for you the next time i am passing (probably tomorrow) if you want?  let me know

[DAVID WALTERS]

Thank you for offering, love to have a photo. I maybe Welsh and only in Wales last week for family history visiting, but I live in Stoke on Trent at this time.

You have me wondering now if they still hold staff records at the hotel.

[psychonaut]

No probs - I'll grab a photo and ask about staff records for you.  I'll probably be passing there tomorrow

[DAVID WALTERS]

Many thanks for all your help in the past everyone. 

I know have my fathers army records now, all I need now is help in reading some of the codes. Any help out there, I have the subject "READING ARMY RECORDS" on site with some photos, don't know how to link the pages.

David

[John Eade]

Dear David

I am interested in your message since my grandfather was a French chef who worked at the angel hotel where your father trained and their paths may have crossed. If you do have any information about him - his name was Abel Magneron - please contact me at ^(*). Thanks.

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[weste]

Have you checked whether there is anything on the rims of the medal? Some medals have names there. Also that soit phrase  it looks likes its got honi in front.The whole phrase i'd heard was the equivalent of evil unto him who thinks evil. Was n't it on a law court or something similar? I tried the wales borders museum as no records had survived of my granddads brother who survived ww1 and they had n't really got any more info than I had. He was using a different name and I could only see it in the army and he's death indexed under both names and we were hoping it would lead to a bit more as we think they are half brothers but unfortunately not.

[DeeBoneham]

Could it be:
Honi soit qui mal y pense" (pronounced: [ɔni swa ki mal i pɛ̃s]) is an Anglo-Norman phrase, loosely meaning: "Shamed be he who thinks evil of it." Archaic spellings include "Honi soit quy mal y pense," and "Hony soyt qe mal y pense," and various other phoneticizations. It is the motto of the English chivalric Order of the Garter. In Modern French it is rendered as "Honni soit qui mal y pense" (the past participle of the modern verb honnir being honni). Its literal translation from Old French is "Shame be to him who thinks evil of it." It is sometimes re-interpreted as "Evil be to him who evil thinks."

Several military organisations in the Commonwealth incorporate the motto inscribed upon a garter of the order within their badges (or cyphers) and some use Honi soit qui mal y pense as their motto. Corps and regiments using the motto in this fashion are ('*' indicates usage as a motto in addition to inclusion in the badge):

British Army: the Royal Horse Artillery; Household Cavalry Regiment; Life Guards (motto appears in the Garter Star representation worn on Life Guard officer's helmets rather than in the unit badge); Blues and Royals; Grenadier Guards; Coldstream Guards; Princess of Wales' Royal Regiment;Royal Regiment of Fusiliers; Corps of Royal Engineers; and the Royal Logistic Corps (which in April 1993 became an amalgamation of the trades of five corps, which included the Royal Corps of Transport and the Royal Army Service Corps plus the Postal and Courier Services of the Royal Engineers, all of these forming Corps used the motto inscribed garter in their badge)

Does this help

[27Ster13]

Hi was wondering if somebody could point me in the direction of getting service numbers please?
Both my grandfather and uncle served, apparently my grandfather was an ambulance driver my cousin hints at something else...I also have army photos (don't know how to send from iPad?)