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Offline DAVID WALTERS

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South Wales Borderers Regiment
« on: Thursday 25 November 10 06:59 GMT (UK) »
Only yesterday did I find my fathers enlistment into the South Wales Borderers Regiment. Service number 3910433. Name Thomas John Walters, born 16 March 1919, died 19 September 1982. My father had just finished his "chef" training at the Angel Hotel, Cardiff when he was called up in Feb 1940. In April 1942 he was transported to A. Catering Corps 17. Documents sent to Edinburgh 22 April 1942. Then I have some coded letters D/0/58/42 refers.

I know he was still in the army Christmas 1944, till after the war I expect. Would love to know more about where the South Wales Borderers regiment went too over the war years. And the Catering Corps in the same years. I know that my father was stationed in Italy for a number of years, for he got engaged out there, and was able to speak Italian many years after the war when he returned to Wales (without a bride, or I would not be written this now).

Can anyone help build up a record of his years, while I wait for his army records over the next nine months?
Wales.
Walters, James, Evans, Tebbutt, Bartle.

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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 November 10 19:28 GMT (UK) »
These are a good place to start:
http://www.rrw.org.uk/museums/brecon/about.htm
http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museums/0000000107-Royal-Logistic-Corps-Museum.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Wales_Borderers

Please come back to us for more help if you need it. Do you have any photos of him during war time?
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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 November 10 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi David

Were the museum able to tell you his Battalion?

At a guess, using the fact he was in the UK in 1942, I suspect he was in one of the many Battalions raised to resist the German invasion and was most probably posted in the UK for his first 2 years.

As the Battalions of a Regiment were generally posted away from each other, we need to know his Bn to see roughly where he was - service history for this i'm afraid if museum cant help.

Cheers

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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 27 November 10 07:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again.
Dee, sadly the only thing that I have of my father’s army life is an Army Telegrams (on Rootschat, sorry don’t know how to link it to this page) he sent to his parents Christmas 1944. And my father told me he was in Italy, even getting engaged there, and was able to speak Italian years after the war. I also remember my grandmother showing me some family medals after he died in 1982 (my father died of cancer aged 63), she out lived her son. One of the x generals (so he said) in the nursing home said one of the medals was from Italy, one from Africa and there was a cap badge for the 8th Army for World War 1 (more my grandfathers).

Sadly when you are in your twenties you never ask the right questions, or collect the information. Now I am 61 myself, I am building up our family history for my sons and daughter. I have come down from Stoke-on-Trent, into South Wales this week to visit some of my cousins to exchange photos and stories (sadly I am the youngest), and they are on my mother’s side of the family. I have no one alive now on the Walters family to talk too.

I am over the moon that I found something about my father’s army life this Wednesday, even if it is only a few lines in an ledger dated 1940, that is the most I have found in five years wondering with whom did he service. Remember my father was a chef and not on the battle front with a gun. He did tell me that their bombed their field kitchen and was burnt by the hot oil which he called his “war wound,” I understand he did not fight in any great battle, but he feed the men that did fight with their lives. And many still faced death in the mess tent so they say.

He had just finished his chef training at the Angel Hotel, Cardiff (The Savoy of Wales) when he was called up, and was a chef all of his life until his death. I was also told elsewhere on Rootschat that in 1941 all chefs and cooks came under the Catering Corps, and no longer under the regiments where they joined up with. At the South Wales Borderers museum they said the SWB never served in Italy.
I wonder also from the ledger what “A Catering Corps 17” means. Or does it read “A catering Corps 17 4/42.” Sent on the 17/4/1942 to a catering corps. Maybe between Feb 1940 to April 1942 he served with the SWB’s then was transferred to the Catering Corps in April 1942 till his discharge after the war, there he may have served in a basic camp in Italy and elsewhere and feed any and all regiments stationed there.

When I return home I can photo copy the few lines from the ledger and up load it onto Roots if that will help. The museum could not help me anymore than they did. May I anyone wanting to see the history of the SWB, it is small but well packed with the history of the regiment. Plus they have a shop and it’s on line http://www.rrw.org.uk/index.shtml I was able to buy myself a tie clip, and sell a few things which are most interesting.

Well thank you all again.
Wales.
Walters, James, Evans, Tebbutt, Bartle.


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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 27 November 10 07:40 GMT (UK) »
Just read elsewhere the SWB served in Gazala, North Africa in 1942. I wonder if that is one of my father's medals, then in the Catering Corps he served in Italy for the rest of the war.
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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 27 November 10 08:03 GMT (UK) »
Do you remember the colours in the medal ribbons?    The Africa Star  has yellow stripes in it to represent the desert.          The Italy  Star has broad stripes of White and Green and one other colour  which represent the Italian flag colours.             
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 27 November 10 08:05 GMT (UK) »
So sorry, it was a long time ago.
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Walters, James, Evans, Tebbutt, Bartle.

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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 27 November 10 08:18 GMT (UK) »
By what you have said,  I am sure that he was awarded both the Africa Star  and the Italy Star.
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Re: South Wales Borderers Regiment
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 27 November 10 08:25 GMT (UK) »
Way, way in the back of my mind there may have been 2 to 4 medals and a cap badge (8th Army). My gran said they were my fathers medals, but the cap badge was WW1. That is all I can remember. My father spoke of Italy only. All is lost in my head now, and that was about 26 years at least, the age of my first born who never met their granddad
Wales.
Walters, James, Evans, Tebbutt, Bartle.