Author Topic: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)  (Read 11235 times)

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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 June 11 03:46 BST (UK) »
Hi
am also great grandson of Amelia and Charles, my mother is Linda Smith daughter of Charles Ovide son of Charles and Amelia. Charles senior was a musician according to my mother but we would love to hear more of your research. I stumbled across you questions here while trying find information on Amelia Victoria for my mother Linda.
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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 18 June 11 08:26 BST (UK) »
ScottFive,

Could this be him?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14103146?searchTerm=charles smith violin&searchLimits=

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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 17 November 11 06:15 GMT (UK) »
Hello there, great to have found this. Charles and Amelia are also my great grandparents, their child Norman (one of eight) is my grandfather. He was musically talented, played the piano, saxophone and violin. My father and I have been trying to find out more about Charles also.  We knew Charles died in his 40s and Amelia was a midwife and one of the first registered in WA in 1912 I think, at Dangin, and is recognised in the WA 150th Anniversary honour roll. We also know she ran a boarding house sometime prior to 1912 (likely prior to 1907), though where is unknown. Somehow she ended up on a farm in Narembeen  between 1912 -1929. She was released from bankruptcy in 1912 so I'm wondering if Charles was a part of the boarding house and had to claim bankruptcy after he died
On my grandparents marriage certificate it states Charles as a musician. We also have a photo of Amelia with children but no Charles dated 1909.  Wonderful to find family :)
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Carolyn

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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 21 November 11 08:01 GMT (UK) »
I am SO sorry for my late reply!  I have not accessed this site for some time as I have had to put my family-history research on hold for a number of months.

To 'Boy Scout':  Thank you VERY much for this article. It is the break-through I have been looking for. I searched 'TROVE' myself but was unable to find anything. This is greatly appreciated; I'm amazed you found it. I can't thank you enough for this!!

Graeme/Carolyn: more relations; nice to meet you!
I'm desperate to find any information about Charles Smith as to when he left Brighton (and why) and how he got to Australia. Have searched passenger lists, but to no avail. Speculating with my dad (Kingsley Smith, son of David, son of Charles & Amelia) we thought he may have come-out touring with the Saddlers Wells Theatre company, but that has always seemed unlikely to me (he is listed as a 'plumber' in the 1881 cencus in Brighton). But now it is confirmed that he WAS a talented musician, at least.

Carolyn: I spoke to my dad (whose 82 now) and he says that - After Charles died Amelia had the boarding house in Beverley, but it burnt-down (hence the bankruptcy?). However, I cannot find anything to verify this. She did have a boarding house in Dangin, though, but this seems to have failed, and she teamed up with a chap called Parker (who established the town) and managed the Temperance Hotel in Dangin [because of this, a regular 'drinking' hotel was built in nearby Quairading]. Amelia's daughter, Rose, married Cecil parker (Jonah Parkers's son) and was helping her mother with these ventures. Amelia and her sons (David - my grandfather - Charles, Norman, Leslie, and Fred I think) then went to manage a large farm at Narembeen owned by Baird's (a large Perth concern) which is how they ended up in Narembeen.

So, thank you all for your input; my research continues... Scott.


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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 25 August 14 16:57 BST (UK) »
Hello again Scott  :)
I have more info on our Charles. In 1887 Amelia was training as a nurse at Royal Melbourne Hosp. where she met Charles who had just come out to be 1st violinist with Gilbert & Sullivan in Sydney and Melbourne. He came out here after he spent many years studying at the Brighton Conservatory of Music, and when he obtained his degree he was presented with four leather bound, signed volumes of all original G&S scores. En route to Australia, in Italy he purchased two violins, an Amati and a Stradivarius made in Cremona in 1728. For 8 yrs they travelled with the G&S group and four kids during this time. In 1894 the company broke up and Charles then teamed up with the talented pianist Paderewski. For two years they had a shop in Pitt St Sydney selling pianos, repairing violins, teaching and playing concerts. Paderewski eventually returned to Poland where he became Prime Minister. After this Amelia and Charles were struggling and David, Amelia's father, paid for them to travel by steamer to Perth, then onto the goldfields of Western Aust. where her brothers owned pastrycook shops and David was a successful miner, later owning a gold mine named Last Chance at Kanowna, 50km's north east of Kalgoorlie when Paddy Hannan found gold. After he died  Charles took over the mine for a year, until the gold ran out. They started to head back to Perth when Charles became despondant, his hands blistered and ravaged from working the land, was told by the Tippets to leave and make his own way. He moved to Maylands Perth where he owned a paper run, taught music and eventually playing more concerts. Amelia and kids then joined him there. Rosie was born in Maylands and 1901 Fred was born in Kalamunda, then Norm and Leslie. In 1904 they moved to Beverley and in 1907 Charles became sick and died at York Hospital, buried in unmarked grave number 19 in York Cemetery.
Amelia was in dire straits and encouraged to place the kids in care, when she said "as long as I have ten fingers on my hands I will never allow one of my children to be in the states care!'. She took on a boarding house in Vincent St, Beverley, housing and feeding 40 workers building the Newbys Hotel. She went to York to pay the final of funeral expenses leaving an elderly lady in charge of the house and kids, a fire broke out in a nearby building which  quickly engulfed the boarding house. The older girls saved the music and violins and the workers grabbed up the tablecloths complete with the cutlery and crockery on them. Despite this, Amelia immediately moved to another house and continued to cook for the workers. It is at the boarding house where she met J S W Parker as he was staying there.
Soon after the fire (bankruptcy) Amelia worked at Jonah Parkers Dangin Hotel, but left there when he applied for a liqueur license. She became Matron at the Dangin Maternity Hospital and the kids weren't allowed on the hospital grounds so were left to entertain themselves. One day Fred and brothers wanted to play cricket and needed a bat. They eyed their dads large case containing original G&S and other beautiful Opera scores and his violins. They took the Armati, because it was old and dirty, and used it as a bat. Quickly it was smashed to pieces and they hid it under the house. It was many years later before Amelia even noticed it missing, and couldn't care less. Those beautiful instruments caused too much pain and misery.
By the time Amelia and kids had returned to Perth to live with Charles all but one volume of music had been destroyed by white ants and water. The surviving G&S volume is in the family possession (one of Fred's sister-in laws) and the beautiful 1728 Stradivarius is playing in the Hobart Opera Company.

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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 31 August 14 05:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Carolyn,

Thanks so much for this info. I have heard bits and pieces of this before from my dad which he says came from writings done by uncle Fred, but he was not sure how accurate some of it was.

I have done some preliminary research and can find no reference to a 'Brighton Conservatory of Music'. It could be that he may have gone to the Royal College of Music in London, which I will eventually follow up with.

As regards to Paderewski, I have found that this gentleman was only in Australia on tour for a short time, playing in Sydney in August 1904 and then left for New Zealand (Charles and Amelia were in WA by then). I can find no reference to this shop in Sydney either (have looked at business and street directories of the time). However there is a music-shop in Sydney of this period in the name of a (Polish) person with a similar type of name. I will eventually follow-up with this also (but don't have the time at the moment).

I'm also going to try to get more information about this mine at Kanowna, if I can. I was in Kalgoorlie not so long ago and visited David Tippett's grave (I have a lot of information about the Tippetts from a family-history book that was published a few years ago, and from my own research).

The cricket bat story I reckon is absolutely genuine, if somewhat tragic! Your listing of the children checks-out: Eva (Ella), Linda & David (my grandfather) being born over East; Charles Ovide, Rose, Frederick, William (Norm) and Leslie being born in WA.

Bye for now ... Scott.




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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 November 15 13:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Scott and Carolyn, I am Fred's son Errol.

I had heard all these stories from my Dad and this is what started my search for some accuracy and truth in what seemed to me to be a an incredible story. My father went to his grave still feeling extreme guilt over destroying the violin (by playing cricket with it). The information that I have found on Charles and his career is very interesting, and yet does not have the degree of continuity or proof that these things really happened. I have pages written by my father that recollect the fire at the boarding house and the events after. I still remain confused over how a Brighton plumber came to be a musician. If possible I would like to, make contact with you both and my mobile is Removed if you choose to contact me.
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Errol Smith

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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 05 November 15 21:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Errol

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Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 05 November 15 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Dawn,
Sorry I didn't think about the number contravening forum policy. I was that excited to see the thread and read the information.
My apologies,
Errol Smith