Am I missing somethig?

[Elsa-Mary]

Hi ,
Thanks Carol and Alan,
Whats happened here is up till recently my tree finished (brickwall) with Peter Lunt died 1835 .
Just last week contacted by a lady in Scotland whose Great-greatgrandfather was Peter  1835-from the marriage of  Peter to Mary Ann Morris ( Peter's second marriage )

She had viewed my tree on Ancestry, and realised there were connections, but she had not got my direct line,so it filled a lot of her gaps in,so to thank me as it were she provided me with her  tree  which gives Peter as being b/c?in 1799,with  his parents being Bryan Lunt c/ 5/4/1760 and Mary Smith,married 21/1/1787 at Sefton.
With children John 1788-Bryan, c 1790, James c1792  Ellen 1794,,Peter   1799 !! and Thomas 1802.
Peter's grandfather on this tree is  Bryan  Lunt c1720 -found his siblings,as yet not this Bryan,but got an 1721 -could be!!

But this was not all,  more info going back to 1595 !!!!!
With her info, I used FS  and beta version as well and got ALL  printed ,EXCEPT my elusive Peter.
I should absolutely love to add all this  AND ( who wouldn't to my tree ) But hesitate because of not finding Peter.
All baptisms and marriages prior to 1820 seem to all have been in St Helens Sefton.

I do not have broadband only dial up here in Jaen  and it has been a nightmare waiting for everything to download.

This info also included grave photos of Peter Lunt and his family at Sefton,for which I am so grateful,3 years ago spent 3 plus hrs in that cemetary and came up with nothing.

Thanks for your interest and encouragement-I do feel sometimes I'll never get there.

Adios
Elsa-Mary

[garstonite]

Elsa Mary...please don`t be offended...I live close to both
St Helens is the name of the town
St Helen (no S) is the name of the church in Sephton / Sefton ....
it may confuse people from other regions....it would help if you posted St Helen , Sefton
and not St Helens ,Sefton....hope you see where I am coming from...some people may think you mean the town of St Helens.....allan

[Elsa-Mary]

Hi, Alan.

None Taken, you are so right I just get carried away and assume  stupidly as I may have mentioned Sefton that  the Church St Helen's Sefton is taken for granted.
I am a 2 fingered typist-so its a bit of a short cut + I am Irish-think faster than I can type-lol

Elsa-Mary

[Wocky]

You mention checking all sites online that have the registers transcribed, but have you ever looked at them yourself - or the film to see the actual document?  Do you know whether the pages are actually legible or complete?

Could the missing entry simply be a missing or damaged illegible page?

[polarbear]

Are you near a Family History Library? Spain seems to have quite a few. I ask because .....

I once ordered in a Parish Register film for the town my ancestor consistently named on several censuses. The film had baptisms of all siblings but my ancestor was not there. The volunteer at the center suggested I order in the Bishop's Transcripts and my ancestor turned up there .... and one of the siblings was missing from these records.

So... Since I think online records are generally Parish Register transcriptions, my suggestion would be to look at the Bishop's Transcripts for Sephton/Sefton (which appear to be available for your time period) if you are able to. No guarantees, of course, but you never know. In my case the record keeping was obviously inconsistent.

Polarbear

Added: I second what Wocky has just asked.

 

[Redroger]

This has happened to me when researching my wife's tree. Apparently around the turn of the 18th/19th century it was not uncommon for the vicar to perform the services, make a note on a piece of paper, and then forget to add it to the register.Notes to this effect are often made in parish registers and/or transcripts.

[Elsa-Mary]

 Well,
  Some fantastic news for me- and atachments  today, received family register of birth death and marriages of My greatgrandfather John Lunt ( 1862 ) and his family,really something to treasure.
This has been handed down to the lady that contacted me after seeing my tree on Ancestry recently,she was able to visit St Helen Sefton, told me the  vicar  had done a search- re Peter Lunt ( married there 1820),but was unable to find his  birth ,burial or grave-thinks it maybe either illegible gravestone or broken up-but had  very kindly offered to let my new relation know should something turn up.
Also they checked with Crosby record office at that time as well.

So , back to the  brickwall-- and all those lovely ancestors that I would so love to add to my tree-but still hesitate until Peter's birth/baptism or something confirmed.
I have wondered if Peter might have been child of one of the  brothers or sisters?-that George Lunt and  Ann ( Cheshire ) mentioned looks good a little early -but found a burial of  a George Lunt christened 1766 burial  1789-wonder if he could have been Peter's father-he would have been about 23 yrs old at death in 1789.

Thanks

Elsa-Mary

[Redroger]

Do you know whether the family followed traditional naming patterns, i.e. olderst son named for paternal grandfatherf etc.? If so, that can give a guide, but by no means 100% correct and can get complicated when a child dies and their name is later given tio a "replacement". Remember too that very many people died at what today are absurdly young ages,so a death at 23 could well be the right man.

[Elsa-Mary]

Hi Red Roger

Sod's law apparently in my family !!! his grandfather was a Bryan-but hr was not the eldest- that was a John- the line at that time SEEMS come from a Bryan Lunt,1760-----,his father1720,and yes  one of Peter' younger  brothersi s named Bryan or Broyan 1790 for his father,Bryan 1760- then again for his father Bryan1720--- then we go to a James,whose father is Richard !!!!!,whos e father is Richard also.

BUT  Peters birth christening cannot be established--1789/99 --all this is surely speculation as to who was parentage earlier--or am I being too picky.

Like all on this forum-who try to research ancestry,I want to really be able to add to my tree--in confidence that I got the right guys 

Good  --you reminded me as I again pulled out the info and checked,I am still a LEARNER ,AND CONSTANTLY READ ALL FORUM STUFF-BECAUSE I KNOW --I will learn an awful lot--as I have and be able to look at resourses that I would not have known about previously.

CONSTANTLY amazed how how forum members are able to find that little nugget that pulls everything together, witht heir kindness and time given.
So search goes on for my Peter Lunt---b 1799?

Bless You
Elsa-Mary







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