Family name YOUNG, Northumberland?

[An65]

Them being in houses during the census doesnt mean they never travelled during the summer months to hawk their wares. Indeed, the census was deliberately taken in the early part of the year before travellers went back on the roads. Many many travellers lived in houses during the winter, or stayed in lodgings. Just as a help

[toni*]

that hadn't occurred to me An65 

although after William it seems they were in Hexham when the children were born

i looked for a marriage for William & Catherine and also for William on the 1861 census but i can't see anything positive

[toni*]

but i have found William snr in 1901

 

William Young 66 head mar. cartman b. heddon on wall
Catherine Young 60 wife hawker b millsheilds
Jane Young 19 dau. b. Hexham
M L Jackson 18 boarder  laundry maid b. Stepney London
Jack Young 13 grandson b. winlaton durham
William Young 10 grandson b. Hexham
 
 
: RG13; 4824;  85;  11.

look at the Address Skinners arms Gilesgate and I think that Giles Gate must be the address from before too!

[youngjo]

Wow there is so much here....it all sounds like the right folk......i had been searching the Miller side as I couldnt find anything on the census for the Young side.....Toni you have done great work.....

That Rachel Miller record looks right and George her father was a hawker and i found his household in 1861 census
 His father
Miller Jacob Age 30 b Cumberland - Penrith Occupation (General Dealer)
Miller Mary Ann Wife 26 B Lancashire
Miller Ann dau 8 b Cumberland - Cockermouth
Miller George (my gg grandfather) 4 born Cumberland - Carlisle
Miller William 2 born cumberland - carlisle
Miller Jacob 5 months old born in Scotland.

There are so many names now im getting confused and im sure you guys are as well....anyone any more knowledge on the miller side?

Even though i have found out more than i ever though i would.....

[An65]

I have an entire travelling family called Elliott baptised at Willoughby On The Wolds in Notts in the late 18th early 19th century. I swear they did these things just to catch us out and make sure we were paying attention!

Some of the Millers married into the Cunninghams and Swales families that frequented Kirkby Moorside in Yorkshire, and they likewise persist in having their kids baptised in what seemed to them to be "friendly" parishes. If they knew they would get a good reception from the locals, who can blame them really?

Some Travellers rented homes for an entire year even though they were only going to "Winter" there. It was the price they paid for a stable base to go to when the cold set in. Its all stuff worth bearing in mind on the road to your own folkies.

By the way I have personally found, that you will quite likely find a baptism somewhere of the person you are looking for. Half that for the number of times you will find a marriage. Half that again for the number of times youll find a burial.
This probably sounds strange, but the Roma were very likely to baptise their children. Not so keen on church marriages, (and some were long after their children were born), but preferred their own customs, and hardly anyone seems to have been officially buried!

Good luck or as we would say, Kushti Bok

[toni*]

Joanne i will try to make some sense of it for you although i can only give you the bare bones you will need to add the 'meat'

[toni*]

Jane Reed witness to John Thomas marriage was Jane Young who was born 1882 the daughter of William & Catherine
she married William reed in 1902 Hexham

[toni*]

William Young b. circa 1834 Heddon on the Wall Northumberland  (Cannot find bp. or 1841-1861 census)
By 1864 he was married to Catherine unknown she was born circa 1840 Slaley
Children of William & Catherine:
William 1864
Thomas  1866
Francis (aka Frank) 1868
George 1870
Matilda 1874
Margaret (aka Peggy) 1877
Jane 1882

I cant see Williams bp. in Heddon on IGI
Catherine was born Slaley which is a part of Hexham but as I don’t know her maiden name I cant find her bp.
I did look for a marriage but there are several options however she is not Catherine Burdas (b. 1840ish Slaley) as she married George Bell.
 
William & Catherine also have 2 grandchildren with them on various census as yet I have not worked out who they belong to.
Jack Young b. 1888 & William Young b. 1891

William b. 1864 m. Elizabeth Steward / Stewart b. Alnwick in 1884 they had children as follows:
Frank Young 1885
William 1887
Joseph Young 1889/90
John Thos Young 1891. (married Rachel Miller) (JTY died Hexham 1931 aged 38)
Margt Eliz Young 1894.
Elizabeth Young 1900
n.b. Elizabeth had a brother Cuthbert

Francis / Frank b. 1868 m. Mary unknown (b. circa 1870 Elsdon)
Children:
Matilda 1888
Mary 1889
Catherine aka Kitty 1891
William 1893
Thomas 1895
Margaret J 1897
Frank 1901

Jane b. 1882 m. William Reed 1902 Hexham

I lose track of Matilda b. 1874 after 1891 the Matilda Allen on the 1901 census b. 1874 is Matilda Forest / Forester

[toni*]

i am not too certain about this bit

in 1881 we have at Foundry Lane Hexham
Thomas b. 1853 & his family
Francis b. 1848 & his family
and then your William b. 1833& Catherine and their children

now i have found Thomas & Francis in 1871 they are brothers.
Giles Gate
George Young (he has been crossed out)
Thomas  22
Francis 18
Peter  16
: RG10;  5146;  12;  17;

i was hoping in 1861 they had a brother William and yes they do but i don't know if it is 'your' William his age is out somewhat and his occupation doesnt match 

Mickley Durham
George Young   48 head widower hawker b. gateshead
William    20 coal miner b. Hexham
George    18 do.
Ann    16
Thomas   12 scholar
Mary Jane 10 do.
Frances    8 do.
Peter    6
: RG9;  3857;  102;  8;

and in 1851
George Young   40 head mar broomaker b. gateshead
Jane Young   37 wife b. )do.
Isabella Obyusley   17 dau. married b. hexham
Margaret Young   15 b. New York North. (short for Northumberland
John Young   12 tanner b. Durham Blue Quarries
all other children b, Hexham
William Young   10
George Young   8
Ann Young   5
Thomas Young   2
May J Young   4 months daughter
Mary J Amsley    under 1 MOnth granddaughter
 HO107;  2414;: 531;: 27
you really need to view the image it has something written on the address section i cant make it out