Can anyone help?

[AngelaR]

Sorry Pinetree - my post crossed with yours 

We're on the same track though - I'll have a look at your other possible find for Charles in 1851...

Angela

Angela

[AngelaR]

Looking at the Charles Whadevat you found, Pinetree, it looks like it should be Whadcoat (not that that's a whole lot better.....) but Charles's age is very clearly 9 and there are younger children, so it's not looking likely.

It may be that Carol has to splash out on a birth or marriage certificate for Charles, unless someone can find the Alverstoke (whoops - I meant Alvechurch!)Parish Records......

Angela

[Pinetree]

Angela,

No problem - two sets of eyes are certainly better than one (in my case anyway  )

Looking at the baptism Carol found on IGI the parents appear to be George WALDRON and Harriet if that helps 

I have the name WALDRAM in my tree which is sometimes mistranscribed as WALDRON so my be another variation worth checking although I can't see any WALDRAMs that would fit for Charles.

Pinetree

[AngelaR]

Thanks for that, Pinetree - definitely doesn't fit the Ward family in 1851 then as the parents are Richard and Mary Ann.

Puzzling this - can't find a marriage for George and Harriet on FreeBMD, even using the Wald* wild cards. I'll have a hunt on BVRi, see if that comes up with anything...

These spelling variations are a pain You wouldn't believe the number of variations you can come up with for my Sealeys 

Angela

[Pinetree]

Angela/Carol,

There's a marriage in IGI between George WALDRON and Harriet GODSON on 21 Oct 1844.  This took place at Wotton Wawen ( ) which is in Warwickshire but not that far from Alvechurch.  Could be a possibility 

Pinetree

[carolwalden]

Sorry for the delay in replying computer went screwy.
Thanks for the help, i can see this is going to take a while to resolve.

I ordered the marriage certificate and just to be certain i also ordered Charles birth Certificate.George did marry Harriet Godson 21/10/1844 Wootton Wawen.
What i haven't been able to find is a death record for either George or Harriet.George died before 1876 when Charles married.
As far as i can make out Charles was the only son.But as you will know it was rare to have just one child back then.
So :
1) Harriet died soon after Charles was born;
2) George died soon after Charles was born;
3) Both died and Charles was orphaned;
4) George Remarried and the family don't know this or
5) Harriet remarried.

To top it off the surname can be found spelt as WALDIN,WALDEN and WALDRON.
I have even found William Walden in the 1881 census with the surname WALDRONETT but the FreeBMD has him as WALDIN.

[AngelaR]

Hello Carol

This is all very intriguing, so I've had another hunt, starting with Gardener's find of a Charles and George in 1851 (HO107/2047 Folio 823 Page 18) I originally was pretty positive that Charles was 13, but on looking again there are some other marks around the age column so it is just possible that Charles actually is down as 3 not 13 and the apparent preceding figure is one of those marks. What do other people think? It would certainly match otherwise, as George is down as a widower. (Sorry, Gardener  )

Following on from that, there's a death registered in the right district, MAR 1850 Bromsgrove 18 191 for a Harriet Wolding  who might just possibly be the missing Mum for Charles.

I did wonder whether the family George and Charles are with in 1851 might just possibly be relatives of Harriets (not George's since his place of birth is down as not known). Just in case that's a possibility, the full entry is-

78 London Street, Alvechurch
Samuel Bayliss - Head- Mar -38 -  Ag Lab - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
Eliza Bayliss - Wife - Mar - 29 - Needlemaker ( Hard Str^tner - Worcestershire, Tardbigge
Charles Bayliss - Son - - 1 - - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
George Walden - Lodger - Widr - 35 - Ag Lab - N.K.
Charles Walden - Lodger- -?3 - - Worcestershire, Alvechurch

Angela

[carolwalden]

Hi Angela,certainly looks like this might be "my" George & Charles.
I too wondered if that entry was "my" Harriet, it wasnt until i found an entry in the 1851 Census on FreeCen that i gave it a second though.

1851Census
 Place Wolverton Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire.
John Godson age 49 Fam Lab B Alderminster
Hannah age 52 b Wolverton, Warwick
Mary Ann Daughter age 17 b Claverdon, Warwick
John Walding Gson age 1 b Allchurch Warwick

John and Hannah Godson are Harriets parents, so looks like they had two sons and another possible spelling variation 
I just thought it odd that Charles was not with them being of such a young age.

I am not able to find Johns birth on the FreeBMD site but i did find him on the LDS site (no Parents though).

If some kind soul with access to the 1861 census could do a look up for George that would be a great help.

I am assuming that if they didnt know his birth place that he wasnt from Worcestershire or am i wrong in that assumption?

This is so frustrating lol

Thanks again Angela.

Carol

[AngelaR]

Hi Carol

Well - there's a possible candidate for your George in Alvechurch in 1861 although there's a bit of disparity in ages from the 1851 but there is a place of birth this time He's on his own at number 47a, Dog Lane, Alvechurch, ref RG9 2118 Folio 80 Page 11 -

George Walden - Head- Wid^r - 40 - Ag Lab - Oxfordshire. Bambury

I did wonder about the death record for a George Waldron - JUN 1861 Bromsgrove 6c 219 - would presumably be just after the census.

Given the 1851 census record you found for Harriet's parents, it looks suspiciously like she must have died having young John, who seems to be with his grandparents still in 1861 in Lye Green, Claverdon, Warwickshire (Ref RG9 2232 Folio 24 Page 1) -

John Godson - Head - Mar - 60 - Ag lab - Warwick, Ashill
Hannah Godson - Wife - Mar - 61 - - Warwick, Wolverton
John Waldin - Gson - - 11 - Worcestershire, Alvechurch

Will see if there's any mention of George in 1871 in case that death isn't him

Angela