Prison Hulk Register

[turfy]

but I was wondering what happened to rich people who stole and robbed and cheated people out of their lands/inheritances. Presumably they wouldn't end up dying on a hulk.

Hi Greensleeves
That's a good question and one I would love an answer too as well.

Hi Macintosh
I was wondering how/if a Journeyman Stone Mason would differ from a Stone Mason?

[Wiggy]

Maybe they move about more!!      Just guessing!   Like a travelling salesman!


Re the rich people - but they weren't committing a crime - they were just exercising their rights!!!        unfair isn't it!

Wiggy   

[macintosh]

Turfy, originally a journeyman was a person who was hired by the day, from the French Journee', but later became associated with a person who had mastered a trade or craft.
A relative of mine was a jouneyman Nut, Bolt and Rivet maker who left Clydeside 1880s for work in the North East of England, he was in permanent employment,  though still referred to as journeyman, I don't know when the transition occurred.

James

[turfy]

That's interesting, thanks James.

I've not had any luck yet in finding out what happened to his body. Also been trying to find a photo of the Prison Hulk Justitia, I know it was moored at Woolwich when he died 1841 - I have found one photo of 'Prison Hulks off Woolwich' but can't make out names of the ships and don't know what date it is.

Regards

[veeblevort]

Connexion was a valid spelling at that time., e.g. the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion, a late 18th century religious movement which existed until at least the 20th century.

[Wiggy]

Great picture Turfy!  Glad you showed us that one - will be interesting to many I bet!!

Also thanks for spelling of connexions veeblewort (it actually makes more sense to spell it that way doesn't it!)

Wiggy

[cough]

My tree follows one of William's daughters Sarah up to the present day (are you interested?). We would appreciate any info you have on Elizabeth Cork - William's wife who was born in the East Indies. They were our 3rd great grand.

[Seoras]

The authorities of the day gave sentences of transportation for trivial crimes
as a means to getting cheap labour to the colonies.I think their crimes against the poor of the country far outweighed the theft of a duck.

George.

[california dreamin]

Hi all
I might be able to help with some information about the "Justitia".  I found out quite a bit of information regarding this vessel when I was working on University project:

JUSTITIA
The "Justitia" was a 260 ton prison hulk originally moored in the Thames between Galleons Reach and Barking Reach. The Convicts in the attached engraving were performing hard labour at the Woolwich Warren. The convicts were employed "to raise soil, sand and gravel from the bed of the river for the benefit of the navigation of the said river". The prisoners were kept on board awaiting deportation to Australia. This ship had been moored on the Thames when the American War of Independence stopped transportation of criminals to the colonies. The 'Justitia' formerly belonged to Duncan Campbell who was appointed to supervise the work of the convicts.

Campbell and his partner John Stewart had previously set up as "JS&C" and were in the business of transporting newly-convicted convicts and this was aided by an article of agreement with Richard Burke from the Treasury Department, dated 5 September, 1764.  It is of interest to note that Campbell was "uncle-in-law" of William Bligh of the infamous “Bounty”

PS I do have a little image - but I can't figure out how to attach it! Will try and figure it out and post later..