Isaac DALE (1784) & Judith CLARKE & Family Astbury/Congleton Cheshire

[Chopsuey]

I am looking for any information re Isaac (14/3/1784 to 14/6/1846) and his wife Judith who was buried 14 May 1864 all Astbury records.  Lived Congleton.  Also any of their children Alfred, Albert, Arthur, Caroline, Harriet, Frances, Paul, Phebe, Alice Eleanor, George, Isabella, Charlotte, Henry.  Alfred migrated to Victoria and married Alice Hickey, Caroline married William Jeffers and migrated.  Alfred and family and Caroline and family lived Eldorado, Byawatha District in country Victoria.
Thanks,
Sue

[Manchester Rambler]

Albert DALE, son of Isaac DALE married Mary THORNLEY, daughter of Henry THORNLEY at St Peter's Church, Congleton on 10 Feb 1867.

1891
RG12/2845/51/22 - 3 Wood St, Congleton, Cheshire
Albert DALE - Head - 48 - Coachbuilder's Labourer
Mary DALE - Wife - 46 - Silk Piecer
Mary DALE - Dau - 12 - Silk Piecer
George DALE - Son - 5 - Scholar
(All born Congleton.)

Possible death registration: Jun Q 1905, aged 60.  (Congleton 8a 173)

Rambler

[Chopsuey]

Thanks Rambler,

I had Mary Thornley as his wife, but not the marriage details or where George & Mary were born.  One more piece of the puzzle and should help me find a few other details.  See you are in Manchester, I actually have a Manchester connection myself my GG Grandfather Samuel Thickins became an orphan in Manchester (Addington Street) with his younger brother Richard.  Charged with burgulary in Liverpool and transported to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania Australia) 1846 where he established the Thickins line in Tasmania and Victoria.  Manchester Historical Society tells me they had no knowledge of a Thickins family born in Manchester, yet there was quite an extended family of them (Salford area mainly).  I have tracked most of them.  They tell me any I find are mine.  Manchester Collegiate records have been a great help.
Thanks so much for going to that trouble, Sue

[lynnc7]

Hi
This is a long shot. I have a relative Martha Dale born 1777 in Astbury and she married James Elsby 17/08/1794 in Sandbach. Could she be related to your Dales? Or have you come across any info about her.

Thankss
Lynn

[inherit the wind]

Hello Lynn,
I know it's a long time since you posted this message, but this is my first time on this website, so it's new to me!  I was intrigued by your reference to James Elsby and Martha Dale, as they are four times great grandparents to me. Not sure that I have any more info than you would have, but feel free to contact me if you wish!
Janet

[garstonite]

Thanks Rambler,

I had Mary Thornley as his wife, but not the marriage details or where George & Mary were born.  One more piece of the puzzle and should help me find a few other details.  See you are in Manchester, I actually have a Manchester connection myself my GG Grandfather Samuel Thickins became an orphan in Manchester (Addington Street) with his younger brother Richard.  Charged with burgulary in Liverpool and transported to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania Australia) 1846 where he established the Thickins line in Tasmania and Victoria.  Manchester Historical Society tells me they had no knowledge of a Thickins family born in Manchester, yet there was quite an extended family of them (Salford area mainly).  I have tracked most of them.  They tell me any I find are mine.  Manchester Collegiate records have been a great help.
Thanks so much for going to that trouble, Sue

this is probably a brother of Samuel and Richard Thickens
Burial: 31 Mar 1816 New Jerusalem Temple, Salford, Lancashire, England
James Thickins -
    Died: 29 Mar 1816
    Age: 14 mos.
    Abode: No.9 Cumberland Str. Manchester
    Cause of Death: Measles
    Buried by: Robt. Hindmarsh
    Register: Burials 1813 - 1818, Page 60, Entry 943
    Source: LDS Film 560898

Richard Thickins daughters marriage

Marriage: 17 Nov 1856 All Saints, Stand, Lancashire, England
William Ogden - full, Green Grocer, Bachelor, Besses
Rachel Thickins - (X), full, Servant, Spinster, Besses
    Groom's Father: Thomas Ogden, Weaver
    Bride's Father: Richard Thickins, Sawyer
    Witness: Ann Smith; William Ogden
    Married by Banns by: Thos. Corser, Rector
    Register: Marriages 1853 - 1860, Page 107, Entry 213
    Source: LDS Film 1751506

the village of Besses `0`The Barn is where they lived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besses_o'_th'_Barn

for more Thickins records have a look on this site

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

[Chopsuey]

Further to previous post, now know that Judith's real name was Stanier or Stonier and she was the niece of Isaac's first wife Charlotte.  Isaac married Judith 12 August 1824 after Charlotte's death. Judith was illegitimate, christening 8 August 1802 Astbury, Mother Alice Stanier/Stonier of Moreton, father unknown.  Death 14 May 1864 Congleton.  Isaac had a large family with both wives.  Son Alfred (my GGF) and his sister Caroline (Jeffers) migrated to Victoria.  The rest stayed in Congleton.  Alfred's death record in Victoria shows mother Judith Clarke which was not correct as Judith does not appear to have remarried after Isaac's death.  The name change may have been a family error, but more likely to cover up Judith's history.  Isaac's parents appear to be Thomas Dale and Martha Johnson marriage 8 October 1782 Astbury.  Would appreciate any info on Thomas and Martha.
Thanks, Sue

[williamtov]

In the Register entry, Thomas is described as 'Silk Throwster'. Neither he nor Martha signed the Register, making their mark instead. The witnesses - who did both sign - were William Slater (who also signed as witness to the following marriage that day) and George Beech.
williamb

[Koriyo]

Hi Sue,
Also a descendant of Isaac and Judith through son Alfred and his daughter Frances Emma.  Now our family have Isaac born 1812 to Isaac and Charlotte Whalley.  Isaac Jnr married Judith Clarke 1835 in Congleton.  Judith parents were Thomas and Mary and she was born in 1818 in Stretford

Rob