Kells Co Meath

[er indoors]

Hi I would appreciate any help or advice I can get on this one.  I am looking for the Farley family from Kells
Catherine Farley dau of Owen Farley lived Liverpool 1859 so presume they could have left because of the potato famine
on 1871 census Owen Farley aged 79 born Ireland c1792 a widow.  dau now married Catherine Finnan also born Ireland.
for years didn't know where until I looked on the 1911 cessus where Catherine is a widow aged 75 born Kells Co Meath
I have tried to locate them without any luck not on 1861 census and Owen only on 1871. Catherine born 1835-37

Please help if you can.

[heywood]

Hello,

Are you saying that you don't have them in 1861? If so - here they - they are - transcribed as Finner and Farley

1861  RG9; Piece: 2653; Folio: 40; Page: 3
20 Tellary Street Liverpool
William Finner 28 yrs b Ireland Kells
Catherine Finner 24 yrs labourer in Chemical Works b Ireland Kerran
Ann Finner 4 mths b Liverpool

I wonder if they occupation should be for William - also it does say something like 'Kerran' for Catherine

in same house but separate household

Owen Farley 63 yrs labourer in Chemical works b Ireland Kerran
Mary Farley daur 16 yrs b Ireland Kerran

the next entries are for a Smith family- all born Kells so you can see a difference in the places 

regards
heywood

[er indoors]

Thank you Heywood now I am even more confused yes this is them the same address in 1871 but I wonder why
Catherine would say in 1911 she was born in Kells co Meath when it was her husband William Finnan spelt many ways
and her and her father born Kerran ( I wonder where that is)
Oh well back to it at least I can look for William in Kells Finnan Finnin Finnen Finner Feenan Feanan some hope eh!

Thank you for looking for me.

[heywood]

Looking at the censuses in general- we know most just state Ireland- so annoying - but there are some Farleys b Meath.
Do you have access to view it? It is odd that the with the other family- Kells is so clearly written and theirs isn't.

Owen has been dittoed underneath Ann Finner as born Liverpool but then it has been crossed through.
Catherine's has been overwritten a bit but does look like Kerran whilst
Mary's is clearly Kerran. I'm wondering now though if it is a misunderstanding of Cavan.
On the page before there is a James and Rose Finner from Kells - so with the Smiths and the Finners there is a little Kells community.

[heywood]

The difficulty is that the Irish timescale you need is so early.
Griffiths Valuation http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/cavan/killashandra.htm
has an Owen Farley in Cavan

and also Armagh and Tyrone http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Kells has two Owen Farrellys http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/meath/kells.htm

[er indoors]

You are a star, thank you so much for your time.

I like the look of Owen Farley Cavan Gorteenor or Killashandra maybe that is where Catherine got the Kells fromif her husband came from Kells Co Meath and she left as a child I wonder if she thought it was the same place?

Oh how I wish I had a time machine and revisit all these people and places.

Many thank's once again

[raveon]

   I sent you an earlier message, which appears to have gone astray.
Basically it advised the information on the 1881 Census
Catherine Finnen  Age: 44    Spouse's name: William Finnen    lived 20 Telary St  St Martin Liverpool
Children include Owen Finnen 8
It also gave the advice that Catherine Farley married William Finnen in Liverpool in  1859
 raveon

[raveon]

Sorry, there was one other item.
The Griffiths valuations for Meath in 1857, or thereabouts, lists 61 Farleys in Meath.  There was no Kells parish listed. Your people might already have left, of course. And as you have mentioned above, you may have received the wrong information.
raveon

[heywood]

Wouldn't it be so good to ask them  

I thought the Cavan one too and it is not that far from Kells. I think sometimes it must have been so easy to just agree with whatever the enumerator said.
There is a marriage, by the way, for an Owen Farley to a Margaret McGlue in 1865 on Free BMD.

Have you seen this site - http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/
It has Catholic indexes - unfortunately baptisms are quite late -1886-1901 but the marriages are a bit earlier.
That is where I first saw the Owen Farley marriage. Catherine got married at St Augustines and so did this Owen