Manchester to Belfast

[atf1]

Hi All

can anyone tell me if there were any records kept for people that moved from England to Northern Ireland? I was told my G Grandfather along with his family moved from Stalybridge (near Manchester) to Belfast c.1911. I can't find him on the 1911 census for England or Ireland. I was wanting to work out whether they went to Northern Ireland before or after the census.
Thank you
Aaron

[aghadowey]

Ireland was part of the U.K. and no records were kept of people travelling between Ireland and England, Scotland and Wales.

If you post any names and dates, occupations, etc. that you know we'll try to find your relatives in Ireland (although a few areas of 1911 census in Belfast are apparently not online yet).

[atf1]

Thank you Aghadowey

I wasn't aware there was possibly some Belfast areas on the census missing.Do you know if and when they will be available?

The family I would like to find is as follows:

Sydney Shepherd 1866 - Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Emma Mary Ann Fisher - 1867 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Carrie Shepherd 1893 Stalybridge,Lancs.
Bertha Shepherd 1894 Stalybridge,Lancs.
Harry Shepherd 1896 Stalybridge,Lancs.
Mary Shepherd 1899 Stalybridge,Lancs.
Alice Shepherd 1900 Stalybridge,Lancs.

I was told by my Mum that they ran a pub on the Grosvenor Rd, Belfast.Sydney was known to use the name George and Emma used the name Mary.My Grandmother, Carrie was married in Belfast in 1916.

Thank you
Aaron

[aghadowey]

Tried 1910 Belfast directory under the surname but nothing listed- there's also an address section but not sure if "on the Grosvenor Rd" means Grosvenor Road itself or one of the street off it/in that area.
www.lennonwylie.co.uk/BSD1910.htm

Haven't found them in 191 Irish census yet either. I'm not sure exactly what sections might be missing (just that there have been posts regarding this) an not sure if or when any missing will be added to the online records.

Have found that Carrie Shepherd married 1916 (Co. Antrim) to Samuel ? . Do you have the marriage certificate? It should list her residence (which may or may not be where her family was living) and father's occupation.

A Bertha Shepherd married 1921 (Co.Antrim) to James ? . Possibly the Bertha born 1894.

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   Cannot find the family on the census but Aghadoweys two brides had a father called Sydney and there was a third one, Mary Anne. Details are:-
23 Dec 1916 Carrie Shepherd married Samuel McDonald in St John Laganbank Church of Ireland, Newtownbreda, Belfast
25 Nov 1920 Mary Anne Shepherd married William Herbert Spring in St. Annes Church of Ireland, Shankill, Belfast
28 Mar 1921 Bertha Shepherd married James Bates in St Matthews Church of Ireland, Shankill, Belfast.

Regards

[atf1]

Thank you Aghadowey & Kingskerswell

The marriages you have listed are the correct family.I didn't have the details, so I have gained some good information.The earliest document of the family in Northern Ireland I have is my Grandmothers marriage certificate.It is 6 years after they were said to have gone to Belfast.
On the certificate dated 23/12/1916, Carrie's address is given as 16 Eglinton St, Belfast.Sydneys occupation is "Dealer"
My Mum says the pub they ran was The Caledon Arms, not sure of spelling.It sat on the Grosvenor Rd opposite Distillery St.
Once again thank you for your help.
Aaron

[aghadowey]

Had a look at area on GoogleMaps but Grosvenor Road has changed since early 1900s- intersection in Distillery Road area very empty. It does show Cullungtree Road almost opposite Distillery Road- 1910 directory lists a pub on corner of Cullingtree/Grosvenor: 229, 231. McMahon, T., publican. Perhaps a previous occupant?

Back to 1910 directory- 16 Eglinton St. (near Jane St.) a Mrs. Kennedy's listed (roughly across from Eglinton St. Presbyterian Church).

What's probably needed is a slightly later directory to get Caledon Arms listed.

[atf1]

Thanks Aghadowey
at least I know there was a pub where the family stories had suggested.I checked the1918 directory and found Sydney at 16 Eglinton St under his alias George.No idea why he started to call himself George  This was the first time I have seen him documented as George.
Thank you for your time
Aaron

[aghadowey]

Maybe he thought Sydney sounded too English