Marriage and birth lookups Tyrone

[asilky]

Hi All
have a marriage that I cannot find in Australia .My relatives sent to the colony
both were tried at Monaghan (not sure where that is )but on the records it does say that they came from Tyrone .I dont know what part.Their names are Anne Walker
tried for theft 1827. It mentions a husband Thomas Daley also tried 1827On record it does say Married.
Is it possible to find their marriage around 1823.Any children born around then?
or their births Anne born 1801.  Thomas born 1804.
I know this is a hard task .I hope someone can help Thank You Silky

[Elwyn Soutter]

Monaghan is the county town of Co. Monaghan. That’s in the province of Ulster in the north of the island of Ireland. Monaghan today is in the Republic of Ireland, though obviously at the time your relatives were transported it was part of the UK. Tyrone is a county further north and is now in Northern Ireland (part of the UK).

Statutory records of birth, death & marriage records started in Ireland in 1864 (1845 for Protestant and Non-Conformist marriages). Prior to that you are heavily dependant on church records, where they exist. In general, there are few records prior to 1800.

Knowing only that your relatives came from Tyrone is not really sufficient to trace them that far back. Ideally, to trace an ancestor in Ireland through church records you need to know their religion, townland and parish. To find that information if the person died overseas, the usual sources are naturalisation records (where applicable), gravestones, family bibles, wills and obituaries.

For Northern Ireland, the Public Record Office (PRONI) has copies of many of the parish registers, and has a list of those held elsewhere. www.proni.gov.uk/
The records themselves are not on line and you need to search them in person. (PRONI is temporarily closed until April 2011 but there are temporary arrangements to view this data at Cregagh Library, Belfast. See PRONI website for details.)

For the Republic of Ireland the equivalent records are held by the National Library www.nli.ie/

If you have no other info about your relatives, your best bet might be to see whether their trial was reported in the local papers or if any court records have survived (though I suspect not).

Monaghan library may be able to advise you what papers were in circulation at the time, and they might even have copies. The National Library in Dublin is probably the place to start looking for court records (website above).

Elwyn

[asilky]

Thank you alwyn
no I only have that they were roman catholics 4 children bapsized RC St Marys Syd.
but cannot find their deaths in NSW Aus. They lived in a small place in Nsw and they get lost.Because it is so long ago their graves may have had no headstone therefore
no record .I have searched until i am nearly giving up.If I could find their parents then it helps with their death notice in BDM NSW.With no info it is hard.With a little luck I found their records from the info from their daughters birth cert.
Because Anne Walker was 28yrs when arriving I thought she may have left children behind .           Silky
   

[Abygail]

Hi Silky,
Can't remember exactly when it was for certain but I think all/a lot of convict records were donated to our National Archives, so possibly you can have a search through those.   Hope that helps a small amount.  the only other thing I can suggest is to ask questions of the oldies in the family and pray that someone has a small nugget of useful information.  Family biblies can be a help.     
Do both records state they were married to each other or only his?  Hate to throw a spanner in the works but it did happen.    The women were easier to trace in Tassie than the men and were encouraged to marry (to keep them out of trouble) and quiet often there would be a land grant as part of the package (to make them more attractive?)
good luck Abygail in Oz

[asilky]

Hi Abygail
thanks but there isnt anybody left from that age ..1829  ..My grandmother was the only one that told me her great grandmother was a Walker.I am afraid she passed many years ago .Because its 60 yrs before she was born she didnt know much at all about them.They didnt leave much evidence when there were  convicts
in the family I think it was the same in Ireland and England when a member was sent away to a far off land.
My great grandfather was a convict and all the family was told he migrated even on his death cert it only has the years he was free in the colony.A very shameful thing.
thanks again silky

[Elwyn Soutter]

If you have no other leads, I would still recommend you check out to see whether there are any newspaper reports and court papers in Ireland, just in case. In my own case I had a relative from Scotland who was tried at Perth Assizes (Scotland) and transported in 1831, so same era as yours. I did succeed in finding both the court papers in Edinburgh and a couple of brief reports in the paper. In Ireland a lot more of that type of official records seem to have been destroyed but it's worth checking anyway. The only snag I found with the Scottish records was that the court papers told me a fair bit about the offence (burglary) and who she was with when she did it, and where she'd been drinking beforehand, but there was very little personal detail, so it didn't name any of the lady's relatives or give any background information, as they probably would today. However it was still a huge help.

[asilky]

thank you alwyn
how do I lookup the irish papers is it on the net?I am in Australia
silky

[Elwyn Soutter]

Silky,

The attached website gives you details of various genealogy research including newspapers that were published in Monaghan and which have been microfilmed. I don’t know of any way you can view them on line. I suspect you’ll need to pay a researcher to look them up for you. (There is one mentioned on the website).

http://www.monaghan.ie/websitev2/libraries/history&genealogy.html

For the court records, I would suggest you try the National Library to see if they have them or can direct you the correct source. www.nli.ie/  Again though I am sure the records themselves will not be viewable on line. If you find any, it may be possible to get the National Library (or whoever has them) to copy them and post them to you. Otherwise it’s pay a researcher again, I fear. (That's what I had to do to get my Australian records. It wasn't too expensive).

Elwyn

[JulieTawse]

Hi Silky,

I may have found your Ann Walker & Thomas Daley in a search of Australian convict and gaol records. If they are the right people, Ann came on a ship called "Edward" and Thomas on a ship called "Mangles". The trial was in 1827 but they were transported later. It appears Thomas may have gone to jail after his transportation sentence was completed but I may have misunderstood the documents.

If still interested let me know and I'll organise to send some by email attachment. It may be worth following up at a local Australian library where they have family history facilities, including subscription to Ancestry.com so you can search for free.

Cheers,
Julie