Thomas Sinclair

[essexgg]

My grandfather Thomas Sinclair was liveing with my grandma in 1919 in Lambeth because thats where my Uncle John was born (19th november) and then my father Jim Charles Joseph Sinclair 31st Agust 1921, by that time they were liveing at Kew Meadows Path at Mortlake.
He used to work for the Recycling Tip behind them, and then in about 1925 the family kicked him out and her nephew went and lived with her to help her out money wise to help feed the family. What I am trying to find out is where he went to and i don't know when he was born or how old he was. All that i know is that he was older than my grandma she was born in 1892, and he came from near John O'Groates in Scotland and we believe he had a sister called Barbara. He might have not gone back up to Scotland but do not know what happened to him, was wondering if someone could help me please. Thank you Alison Sinclair

[trish1120]

Hi Alison,
I cant help with what happened to him at this stage but this is Jims Birth Reg;
SINCLAIR Jim J C, December 1921, Richmond S, 2a 851
Mothers Maiden name BONGARTZ

Is that your Grannies Maiden Name?
John does not seem to have a Bongartz as his Mother

John W T SINCLAIR, December 1919, Lambeth, 1d 559
Mothers maiden name WEEDON

I cant find a Sinclair/Bongartz Marriage.

You need to buy your Fathers Birth Cert which will give all the details you need;
His Age, Occp etc + Mothers Maiden name etc.

Then when we know that we can find the Marriage and you buy that Cert to get both of their fathers names and occp etc. Hopefully then we can find Census entries fro them.

Trish

[trish1120]

I just read some of your other posts and could you please supply all the full Marriage Details please;
Names
Ages
Occp's
Fathers names/occp
Witnesses

Trish

[essexgg]

Dear Trish
My grandma's maiden name was Grace Eva Weedon born 1892 married a Carl Henry Bongartz in 1910 in the befruary and they had a son  the same name as his father and was born in august of the same year. But later on when he was eighteen changed it to charles henry weedon. He took his mothers maiden name of weedon as it would'nt do to have a german name back then. Believe in 1916 he was interned in the first world war because they had another little boy who passed away in a workhouse infirmarey from bronchial pneumonia he was only 2yrs old .  Then they had my uncle Bernard he was born in 1916, his father was interned and did'nt come out till  1920. Took off with this other woman, my grandma had to take in boarders to help pay for the rent and food. And being Catholic she couldn't divorce her husband , and apparently Sinclair used to be a drinker and come home and hit my grandma . They never married the family kicked him out and he was gone my 1925 and the other board george sanders still lived there till 1926 and grandmas nephew Walter Harris stayed with her till she died in 1934 she was 41. Bongartz lived with this other lady and had 3 children by her and in ther 1940's i believe they were haveing twins but were still born.  But every time they had a argument he would go back to my grandma and thats how the other three children of his with my grandma were born Doug, Kathleen, and Alexander. Uncle Alex was only about 4 and half when grandma died and he let his kids go to a ophanage. What kind of a man does that. So grandma's married name was Bongartz but on the electrol role it has her down as Sinclair. Many thanks Alison

[bongers21]

the other women that your grandfather was living with and later married was my husbands grandmother  they had 3 living children charles ,olga and christine . charlie and his wife left england in the 60's with there 2 children  and settled in australia, my email address if you want to contact me is
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                                                             suzzanne bongartz

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[t161tanya161]

Hi Allison,

My name is Tanya, my grandfather was your uncle Bernard Bongartz!

We have some letters from your grandma to John Sinclair which you may be interested in.
My email address is (*)
I would love to hear from you

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[essexgg]

Hi tanya,
Woooopie i am so thrilled to meet you my email address is (*) And if you give me your home number i will ring you from here in brisbane australia  cos i get it alot cheaper it only costs me $2 for half a hour and we can get a fair bit of gas bagging in that time and yes i would so love to have grandmas letters. I was in england in january and i went and picked up uncle john's ashes and took him back to grandma to her grave and Father richards and i scattered his ashes on her grave. And according to uncle charlie Uncle bernards eldest brother i am the dead spit image of grandma grace. The first thing he said when he saw me was cor blimey mums come home, and i lived with him for 20 years. my house number is (*) and mobile number is (*) Oh Tanya i am so excited i had my 57th birthday last thursday, I have a 24 year old daughter and i am not married, never have been. I have one photo of uncle bernard which was uncle charlies and that was with him in his uniform. Did you know Gwennie was my aunt joans best friend and best friend for donkeys years.  Can't wait to hear and talk to you . Take care and again many many thanks for getting in youch with me, i am trying to find out what happend to thomas sinclair and if he went back up to scotland and died up there or if he stayed down in england, i do know the family kicked him out because he used to come home and bash grandma up, and after the other boarder left george sanders left Aunty Aggie she sent her son walter round and live with grandma till she died. I don't forget that swine bongartz letting his children go to a orphange and had kids by this other woman and he used to drive around in a damelier and had his own hair dressing school also. i have a small pic of him if you like, uncle charlie is like him abit he used to have a moustache. Take care alisonxxxxxxxxx

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[bongers21]

hi my name is suzzanne bongartz  my husband geoffrey is that swine bongartz 's grandson its been interesting to find out a bit more of his family history ,geoff and his family moved to melbourne in the 1960's again its been really interesting as geoffs parents charlie and betty are now both deceased and i have been trying to put bits of the family tree together for our grandkids
                                                suzzanne bongartz

[essexgg]

Hi Suzanne,
How are you, I'm up on the Redcliffe Peninsula Brisbane. I have a picture of your dad is it Charles, he is very uncanny to my uncle charlie henry weedon (which his real name is Carl Henry Bongartz ) he was your dads fathers first born son. Your dads sister Christina is a very dear lady and we are very very close and i ring her often and when i was in england in january - february for two weeks and i went to see her. If you contact me and give me your email address i will send you some pics of the family. Take care Alison