William Eames - drowned in Bangor c 1909

[LAW 81]

I concur that the results from free BMD confirm above posts. To confirm if indeed William Eames and son both met their tragic end together I think a newspaper report from the time would be the most revealing option. Not sure how to go about this?

Also, not seen the 'H' as in Moses H Eames in any other records for my Moses other than death record- is this normal? I think further research required here and maybe birth cert. Thanks   

[taffess]

hi there,  There is a birth ref for Moses Henry Eames Q1 1884 Bangor 11b 442. 

[EmyrBorth]

Hi
Failed to find anything in local paper re the 1909 and 1935 deaths.
Burial records for Glanadda Cemetery, Bangor, show that a William Eames, Sailor, aged 70yrs, of 9 Club Street, Hirael, Bangor, was buried there on 16/06/09. It was the third opening of the grave. There is no record of a Moses Eames having been buried there in 1935. There is no MI booklet for this cemetery.
Census info for those with interest, and not in possession of it:
1841 Llanengan - Ty Newydd (Room) - John Emes (iron? miner), 30-34; Ellin, 25-29; Marg(or Mary), 4 ; William 3; John 1 - all born in County. Various minerals were mined in the area, but it is mainly associated with lead and manganese mining.
1851 Llanengan - Tai Morfa -John  Ems (pauper), 44; Eleanor 35; John 10; Dorothy 8; Evan 5; Moses 3; all born Llanengan. There is a William Ems, Farm Servant, 12 at Cim, Llanengan.
1861 Llanengan - Congol Cae - Eleanor Eames, widow, Miner's wife, 45; Moses 13; Henry  7; Eleanor 4; Robert 2.
Rhiw.com website  1861 Census info (haven't checked actual Census), show John Eames 20 and Evan Eames as servants at Penrhyn Mawr, Llanengan. Also Margaret Eames, 24, servant, at Bwlch y Tocyn, Llanengan.
I assume that William Eames, the son, is the same as William Eames, aged 33 who appears at Bangor in the 1871 Census. Place of birth is given as Pwllheli, Carnarvonshire. Llanengan is within the Registration District of Pwllheli.
Will end posting here and carry on in later posting.
Emyr

[EmyrBorth]

Hi,
Carrying on from my previous post:
Checked Rhiw.com info (1861). Evan aged 16, Marg/Mary not Margaret.
Can't find a William Eames that I'm happy with in 1861 Census. Perhaps he's at sea.
There is a marriage at Liverpool, Dec 1869 qtr., between a William Eames and either a Margaret Davies or Isabella Johnston. There is a Margaret Davies, born Anglesey, Lodger, of the right age, living in Toxteth in 1861; born Anglesey (some parts of Angesey came under Bangor Registration District). There is one also living at Bangor, born Bethesda (transcribed as Biddleston !), also Bangor Registration District.
Moving on to 1871 Census - Bangor:
25 Fountain Street -William Eames, Master Mariner, 33, Pwllheli; Margaret, 26, Bangor; Mary, 3; Ellen, 1 . Both children born Bangor.
1881 Census, Bangor - 50 Ambrose Street - Margaret Emes, married, 36, mariners wife; Mary, 13; Ellen, 11; John, 9; Elizabeth , 7; Evan, 5; William, 13mo.; Robert (born Llanengan), 21, seaman, brother in law. All Emes' born Bangor. Margaret down as 'Head', so 'Robert brother in law'. Assume husband is at sea. William Snr. had a brother Robert who is down as 2 years old in 1861 Census.
1891 Census - same address - William, 53, seaman; Margaret, 47; Ellen, 22; William, 11; Moses, 7; Dorothy, 4.
1901 Census - Bangor - 1 Fair View Road: William, 62, sailor; Margaret, 57; William, 23, Journeyman(?) Painter(houses); Moses, 18, Slate Yard Labourer; Dora, 13.
1911 Census - Bangor - 9 Club Street, Hirael: Dorothy, single, 23, Collar Ironer, Steam Laundry.
More to follow.
Emyr
   

[taffess]

hi, I am also tracing this Eames name from Llanengan to present day, so interesting to read buriel place for William Eames.  I note third opening of grave.  I have 2 death refs John Eames Q4 1886 15 yrs Bangor 11b 319
Evan Eames Q1 1887 11yrs Bangor 11b 367
It would appear William and Moses are the only surviving sons of William and Margaret Eames, but I don't have the death certificates to prove that. My guess would be accident at sea.

[LAW 81]

Hi, William Eames born Llanengan c1838 married Margaret Williams born Bangor c1873 in St Nicholas Church Liverpool 26th November 1865.

My mother is certain that Margaret Eames nee Williams is buried in Glanadda cemetary so yes it seems logical that William was buried there also. Thanks EmyrBorth.

She is also certain that there is a Moses Eames buried in Llandegai Cemetery in Bangor- this may be the grave for the 1935 death?

I have recently found an Eames family Welsh bible, in which my grt grandmother Dora Eames b. circa 1887 has listed a number of important dates to the family. It does confirm the death dates of John and Evan Eames. The parents lost 3 children at a young age- the other being a baby girl Leah in 1878 aged just 5 months. Very sad.

 

[EmyrBorth]

Hi
Re. reply 13 by Taffess.
Will have a look at the burial record for those years. Unfortunately there is no plan with the records at the Archives. I'm told that information is available at office in Bangor Crematorium, which can be inspected free by appointment. Apparently there is a £40 charge for request for a search.

In 1911 Census Moses was on a ship at Holyhead, the Ellen Vannin. There was a ship of this name (Manx Gaelic for 'Isle of Man') which went down near Liverpool Bar (Dec 1909 ?), all on board drowned (35), belonging to the Isle of Man Steam Packet Co. I assume that the 1911 ship was a replacement for the one lost.
I've got 1911 info on Margaret and daughter Ellen, but something's not quite right with what I've recorded, so I need to check it out.
I've seen in the card index at the Archives reference to a family tree for an Eames family from near Groeslon. I'll check that out.
Emyr
PS
When  'Sending' above, note came up saying a new reply had been posted. Will check out Llandygai. If you know when Margaret died can you inform me of the date, if possible before midday tomorrow and I'll check the burial record for that year.

[taffess]

Hi there, I have a death ref. for Margaret Eames Q1 1919 74 yrs Bangor 11b 792. I don't have the certificate, but it looks to be the correct one.

[Keith]

I've seen in the card index at the Archives reference to a family tree for an Eames family from near Groeslon. I'll check that out.
Emyr

They could be my Eames family Emyr, Owen & Barbara Eames of Glasfryn, Groeslon. Haven't taken this Eames branch back very far as it was Barbara who was my blood relation, but do know that Owen's grandparents were John Eames and Elizabeth Evans, who were married at St. Twrog's Church, Llandwrog on the 12th January 1816.