Hume and Howie

[MacArk]

Thank you everyone for your suggestions and information...all very helpful and interesting!  That's what is the most fun about researching family...trying to imagine their daily lives, conditions, motives...here is a link which gave me some insight into Peter Hume and perhaps you'll find someone of interest for your own family search:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onwellin/pioneers/1pioneers.htm

Matilda:   apparently Peter Hume was a shepherd by trade so this could explain his moving about in his early family life.  Perhaps he was motivated to travel to the 'new world' to practice his religion?  or was enticed by the offer of plentiful land good for sheep.  I will try checking Newcastle weddings...and appreciated the info on Kirknewton. 

Diddy:  I will send message to Meadbh in the next day or so re. the wedding in Wooler.

Christine:  I am not understanding why this couple would marry in the 'Gretna Green' type ceremony...their marriage in the presbyterian church was not legal so they then went to this Gretna Green place to make it legal?   

Janis...thanks for the searches...I will also get out the map and find Akeld and Lanton...and Colin, a photo of 2 of the countryside in this area would be wonderful...I would add to my tree over at ancestry.com if that's OK with you.

I often wondered how these pioneers could stand the cold climate of Canada (I was born there but live in Texas now), yet when I see how far north in England they were living, they probably felt right at home!

Thanks again, Joanne 

[Matilda1]

"I am not understanding why this couple would marry in the 'Gretna Green' type ceremony...their marriage in the presbyterian church was not legal so they then went to this Gretna Green place to make it legal? "

See here for more info about irregular marriages

http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/

My own view (others may differ  is that you will not find a marriage in Wooler West Presbyerian.  Marriages could not be legally performed there at the time and I have not come across any instances of informal Presbyterian 'blessings' or similar ceremonies.  In addition, I have seen no marriages included in the listings of records for Wooler West - you can have a look at www.northumberland.gov.uk
and www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ and www.genuki.org.uk

The entry on the IGI for this marriage  is just a patron submission - it is not extracted from an actual church  register.

Can I check that you are aware that even if you find the marriage entry it is very unlikely to give you info about the couple's parents?  Unfortunately marriage entries for this period are very minimal, whether Church of Scotland, Church of England or irregular marriages.  a C of E marriage would at least give you a couple of witnesses but there is no guarantee they would be related.

What info do the Canadian death certs for this couple give?  Congratulations on the wonderful resource provided by the short bio in the link you provided.  The sheer hard work these early pioneers undertook makes me feel ashamed although I see poor Catharine does not get much of a mention for her contribution.  It is excellent to have a firm date for their emigration - 1831.

Good luck,

Matilda

[c-side]

Oh dear!  Sometimes what I think I'm saying isn't how others read it 

What I thought I was giving you, Joanne, was an either/or situation.  Either they would marry in England under the law (C of E church) and then possibly have a ceremony in their own church (though admittedly I've only seen this in Catholic records) OR they would go into Scotland to marry.

Sorry for any confusion.

Nice link, Matilda - very clearly written.  I've made a note of it for a couple of friends who've just taken up this "sport"

Christine

[MacArk]

Matilda - yes, I was thinking that I might find information about parents on any marriage documents...and, unfortunately, Ontario death certificate information begins in 1869 and Peter and Catherine died 1862 and 1848 respectively...my home town in Ontario is a couple of hours from the area where these Humes lived and I hope to find some information along the lines of church records in person next trip...yes, poor Catherine's contribution was to have 6 children within 10 years and die 15 years earlier than her husband!

Not to worry, Christine...my misunderstanding...I am learning some history and I appreciate your information.

Joanne

[MacArk]

Just to say that the 1851 Canada West census states that Peter was born in Scotland and most of the Humes on that report said 'old kirk' under religion...

Joanne

Northumberland:  Hume, Howie
Suffolk:  Scotchmer, Lorimer
Berkshire, Gloucestershire:  Arkell
Kent:  Wharton, Addley
Ireland:  McNally
Yorkshire:  Tasker, Watson, Sanderson, Strickland
Norway:  Maartman, Reinertson
Somerset:  Mitchell, Budge, Bond, Brice
Scotland:  McKenzie, Cockburn

[Matilda1]

Hi

Glad the link was useful, Christine.

Joanne, you might want to check with the board for ROX and/or BER to see if you can get a look up but if there is a chance Peter was born in Scotland and if "Old Kirk" means Church of Scotland (which seems likely, but again you can check on a Scottish or Canadian board) then you may be able to find Peter Hume's birth on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Of course he may not have been sure where he was born...sigh!  In theory Scottish/northern Engish naming patterns mean that his eldest son should have been named after Peter's father; the second eldest after Catharine's father.  Similarly the eldest daughter would be named after Catharine's mother & the second eldest daughter after Peter's mother.  However people did not always stick to the pattern - perhaps someone died & so jumped the queue in being honoured, or perhaps something else happened that we can only guess at to disrupt the pattern, and some families never really folllowed it. 

How disappointing to lose out on a nice informative Canadian death cert. 

Hope you manage to track this family.

Matilda

[Colin1234]

Hi Joanne
Apologies for delay in replying. I dug out what information i have on the church at kirknewton, took some photos and have written a short blog http://blog.northumbria-byways.com/2010/11/kirknewton-parish-church.html which you might find of interest.
Within the helpful leaflet provided at the church was this
"The original registers date from 1670.However they were damaged by fire in 1785 and only charred fragments remain.Apart from those in current use, the registers from 1785 are in the custody of the Northumberland County Archivist in Newcastle"

For pictures suggest that you try geograph.org.uk. It has royalty free images of the whole of the UK.

good luck

Colin

[c-side]

Interesting information, Colin.  Just one amendment - the church is mistaken in thinking that the Northumberland County Archivist is in Newcastle.  You'll find her in Woodhorn Museum, near Ashington.

Tyne and Wear Archives are in Newcastle.

Christine

[Matilda1]

Hi Colin

Just to say I very much enjoyed the pictures - I also have family who spent time in Kirknewton parish (though they were not C of E).  This looks such a beautiful area - I hope to visit one day.

Matilda