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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 November 10 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Between 1754 & 1837 all marriages in England had to take place in the Church of England (with exceptions for Quakers & Jews).  Wooler West Chapel was/is Presbyterian - marriages could not have been legally performed there during the period in question.

Given the proximity to the Scottish Border it is quite possible that the couple popped over for a marriage there.  You could certainly check ScotlandsPeople however you may wish to note that it only has records for the Church of Scotland and  some Catholic records which it has recently added.  At any particular time a significant % of the Scottish population adhered to other Protestant denominations - these are not yet available on ScotlandsPeople.  It is pretty hit and miss whether members of these other denominations turn up in Church of Scotland records.

Many Northumbrians went to Scotland for 'irregular' or "Border" marriages (think Gretna Green, however these marriages could take place anywhre in Scotland).   These were legally valid and binding but less respectable than a church marriage & the Church of Scotland could and did fine members of its congregations who married in this way.  Limited records were kept, with some of the 'celebrants ' being illiterate.  Of the records which were actually created in the first place, only some have survived.

If one of the children was born in Newcastle, it is worth checking to see if the parents married there.  Without underestimating the challenges of travel at the time, a glance at any of the main baptism registers for the period 1798 -1812 - when these were quite detailed - shows how many NBL families spent time in Newcastle, whether or not they were amongst the thousands who permanently moved to Tyneside and the employment opportunities there.

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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 November 10 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Good point to make about the marriages Matilda though sometimes non-conformists would have a 'wedding' in their own church either just before or just after their official C of E marriage.  If they did this you could find some details.

Bearing in mind the proximity to the Scottish border they are more likely to have headed north to Lamberton Toll (the Gretna of the East).

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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 November 10 16:13 GMT (UK) »
Wooler West Presby

Ann Hume born 6 Aug, baptised 16 Aug 1803 daughter of Peter Hume and his wife Katherine, Kirk-Newton Parish, born at Lanton

Thomas Hume born 21 July, baptised 29 July 1805 son of Peter Hume and Katherine his wife, Kirk-Newton Parish, born Akeld.

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Co. Durham:  Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener, Lamb
Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 November 10 16:14 GMT (UK) »
those are the 2 i gave janis.. but see you have the parish born in - well done!!

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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 November 10 16:24 GMT (UK) »
I have the transcript fiche also.  I don't have any marriages though.

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Co. Durham:  Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener, Lamb
Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 November 10 18:15 GMT (UK) »
I don't suppose there's any sign of them on your Lamberton Toll records, Janis.  Or don't they cover this period?

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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 06 November 10 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Start at 1808.  I looked in the Berwick Presby marriages because they were recorded in England but performed in Scotland.  There are Humes just not the right ones.

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Co. Durham:  Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener, Lamb
Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 06 November 10 18:35 GMT (UK) »
There are fiche with a few irregular marriages for the late 18th century in Coldstream Bridge available - just a few of the many marriages performed there. These could be an option to check as Coldstream was the closest 'major' centre of irregular marriages to Kirknewton parish.  Many got married at the time of big hiring fairs or other fairs - alcohol was apparently not an unknown accompaniment to irregular marriages.  However, depending on where they lived in the parish, your couple may have just walked in complete sobriety to wherever the nearest 'celebrant' was operating over the adjacent Border at the time.  

I have the fiche for Coldstream but no chance of getting to a fiche reader this side of Christmas :(  Another option is to order these through the LDS family history centres - see www.familysearch.org for the address of the one nearest you.  They will explain how you order and view films - the same entries on the fiche are also available on film and you might find other family members.

The other thing that might be worthwhile is to order films for the burials for Kirknewton & nearby parishes such as Cornhill and Ford.  In that part of the world the only place you could be buried was in a C of E churchyard, whatever your denomination.  By all means also see what is available for the nearby Scottish parishes such as Kirk Yetholm & Coldstream, however Scottish burial/death records are limited prior to civil registration and in quite a few places were either not kept or did not survive.

What were the occupations of Peter Hume and your other family members?  Shepherds, hinds and agricultural labourers were very mobile and it is common to find families in the census with children born both sides of the Border, reflecting the families' movements.

You might find this site of interest http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/ - Kirknewton has its own section.  

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Re: Hume and Howie
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 November 10 17:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

If you are interested in photos of Kirknewton and the surrounding area i can help...often holiday up in the College Valley.

I was aware of people from the area being "recruited" for a new life over in New Brunswick

http://www.village.harvey-station.nb.ca/Craig_Family.html


Colin