James Freeman born 1811

[caribou]

Hi Sue,

I think I've found the link.

James Freeman's first wife was Louisa (don't know surname) and they had 3 children, William Henry 1830, Joseph Benjamin 1832 and Mary Jane 1835, all christened at St Martins Birmingham (I've only just found Mary Jane on Familysearch). I think this Mary is your one.

I think Louisa died between 1835 and 1838, because James married Mary Cottrell on 19 Aug 1838 and I've found 6 children:-  Ann Maria 1840, Martha Kezia 1840, Ellen Elizabeth 1844, Thomas Cotterill 1847, Esther Mary 1851 and George Henry 1857, all born in Birmingham.

I suspect that Mary Jane called  Mary Cottrell her mother, as she didn't know her own and may not have been told the truth.

This is the James Freeman with father William and mother Mary Bround/Round (IGI isn't specific). William and Mary married 3 December 1807 in Madeley, Shropshire.

What do you think?

Bob.

[Susan Haining]

Hello Bob

I think that is probably correct.

I had found that Louisa some years ago but as the oldies insisted that Mary was the gt gran
I did not follow that line of decent.

The sibling names are almost exactly  the same as she named her own children that there has to be
a connection.

 I do believe that you have confirmed what I suspected but could not prove.

May I ask are you related this family please?

Thank you

Regards   Sue.

[caribou]

Hi Sue,

No, I'm not related, but my wife is. William Henry Freeman is her great x2 grandfather.

Bob.

[JulieBurnett]

Hello Sue & Bob.  I believe my husband is also related to Aaron Butler & Mary Freeman.  I have their son's (Joseph Benjamin Butler) marriage certificate and it shows these parents.  I have only just today corresponded with another relative and this is what she had posted (not on this site).
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My gt x 3 grand parents and their family lived in "Ladywood" Birmingham on
the 1871 census.
Their daughter Mary Jane with Husband Aaron BUTLER and their family
emigrated to Aust. ( This couple were my gt gt Grand parents.

As far as I know the remaining family stayed in England.

Hoping that some one out there knows of this family and and help me to find
the records please.

1 James FREEMAN 1808 - 1878 Old Park Shropshire  mar Mary Louisa COTTRELL 1814 - 1902 Coventy Wars
.................... 2 William Henry FREEMAN 1830 - 1910 Birmingham Wars - Hannah 1827 - 1910
.................... 2 Joseph Benjamin FREEMAN 1832 - 1874 Birmingham Wars  -  Jane AKERS 1840 -
.................... 2 Mary Jane FREEMAN 1836 - 1888 Birmingham Wars My gt Gran died Sydney Aust  -  Aaron BUTLER 1829 - 1909
.................... 2 Anne Mariah FREEMAN 1840 - 1920 Birmingham Wars  -  Thomas POWERS 1838 - Birmingham Wars
.................... 2 Martha Keziah FREEMAN 1842 -Birmingham Wars  -  Thomas JAMES 1815 -
.................... 2 Ellen Elizabeth FREEMAN 1844 - 1922 Birmingham Wars  -  George STREET 1838 - 1920
.................... 2 Thomas Cottrell FREEMAN 1846 - Birmingham Wars  -  Emma VOYLE 1847 -
.................... 2 Esther Mary FREEMAN 1852 - Birmingham Wars  -  Edward YEOMANS 1850 -
.................... 2 George Henry FREEMAN 1857 - Birmingham Wars  -  Mary Ann CHESTER 1858 -

Regards Anna  -  Brisbane .Aust                      ^(*)

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This is my husband's information that I have just emailed Jane.

My husband is related through Mary & Aaron's son Joseph Benjamin Butler.  Joseph married Annie Elizabeth Bramble (Father - George Bramble, Mother - Sarah Avery) on 19 Apr 1897.  Joseph was born c 1876 and died 24 Apr 1945.(I have their marriage certificate).

They had the following children -

Joseph Archibald Butler 1898-19/7/1970
Amy Butler  21 Feb 1900 - 24 Nov 1990 (John's grandmother)
Cecil Harry Butler  1902 - 1986
Herbert J Butler  1904 -
Alma May Butler   1906 - 30 Jul 1961
Reginald Ernest Butler  8 May 1908 - 7 Jul 1980
William Butler  1910 -
^(*)  (still alive)
Grace Mildred Butler  7 Aug 1913

Amy married Frederick Charles Woodlands 1 Apr 1924.  They had 3 children

Merle Elizabeth Woodlands 1924 - 2012  (John's mother)
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Just wondering if you have any information or documents/certificates for any of the family.  I didn't have any other family for Aaron & Mary so it is really good to have come across your post.
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I am really pleased I came across this site also (just by pure accident) and found another family.

Cheers Julie

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[caribou]

Hi Anna, and welcome to RootsChat. I too found it by accident and have found the "Chatters" to be very friendly and extremely helpful.

My data for the Freemans matches yours, except I have the mother of William Henry, Joseph Benjamin and Mary Jane, as Louisa, who died in 1837 ( I have the ref, but not the death cert). I do have the 1838 marriage cert for James and Mary Cottrell.

I'm still trying to find a marriage record for James and Louisa.

Don't know if you have access to Ancestry, but there is a tree on there that includes info on Aaron's descendants (Gray Family Tree).

If I come up with anything new, I'll let you know.

Best wishes,

Bob.

[trish1120]

Possible Marriage;
James FREEMAN
Louisa PHILLIPS
17 August 1829, St Marys, Handsworth, Staffordshire
(F/S.Org)

I agree 1st 3 Children have Mother as Louisa.




Trish

[caribou]

Hi Trish,

I've only been looking for this marriage for about 3 years, on and off, so it's nice to know that a record may exist.

It's nice to make a dent in a brick wall and it also gives me a possible new branch to get my teeth into.

Regards,

Bob.