Author Topic: Wrong baptism all along.  (Read 21616 times)

Online coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,940
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #99 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 18:28 BST (UK) »
In my mind I still think it is Thomas Street they lived in and New James Street may have been another name for the street.

Are your New James Street sources from other records?
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

Offline richarde1979

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 931
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #100 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 18:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Ben

Yes these are from other sources, one is an apprenticeship for his 14 year old son dated 1786 which gives their adress as 'New James Street' and later one of his daughters who was born in 1790 died in the French Hospital and also gave her place of birth as 'New James Street'. Perhaps 'Thomas Street' became 'New James Street' sometimes before 1786? There is a website somewhere with the change of London street names on it but I can't seem to source the link.
Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

Online coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,940
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #101 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 18:57 BST (UK) »
In the 1786 ones I have just read that on the previous page to the Fradins and Deverdines it says "James Street, south end, east and west" then our ancestors page says "Thomas Street South".
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

Online coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,940
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #102 on: Thursday 13 September 12 20:55 BST (UK) »
Today on Ancestry in one of the burial ledgers for when Samuel Auber died in 1827 at the bottom it said "Ground for Mr Aubers family vault". St Dunstan Stepney has its burial registers on Ancestry but also the burial ledgers. I never knew the Aubers had a family vault.

I dont know if this means he bought it then or it was just mentioned when Samuel died. I have been trying to find the burial of his wife Elizabeth Auber nee Newman so wonder if this could be where she is also buried.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


Offline James R. Yeowell

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 515
  • Charles Frederick Yeowell
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #103 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 17:27 BST (UK) »
Greetings everyone.

I wanted to ask whether these Aubé are related my own Aubé?

I'm a descendant of Jacques Aubé, of Beauville, Basse Normandie and his wife Magdelaine Moutier.

It was via their son David Aubé/Auber and his wife Jeanne Riviere's daughter Louise Aubé (born circa 1693) that I link in.

Louise Aubé married Louis Cressé (the family had various spellings of the name including Cresset) on 8 August 1714. Louis Cressé was actually born in London on 1 June 1689 but his father was Daniel Cressé (born 1651 in Paris and died about 1714 in London).

Any assistance linking my Aubé's (if they are indeed related) to those mentioned in this thread would be welcome.

I also note mention of the Moncoutant contingent. If my research is correct, then I have a Jeanne Aubé (daughter of Jacques Aubé and Magdelaine Moutier above) marrying Daniel Michaux of Moncoutant and Poitou.

Best regards,

James
Yeowell (everywhere)
Lodington (everywhere)
Gerrard (Stoke Abbot)
Day (Antigua & London)
Broade (Benefield, Southwick, Turnastone, Mordiford)
Hereford (Sufton)
Pershall/Peshall (Horsley)
Ward (Lambeth, Bloomsbury & Westminster)
Stevens (Paddington & Oxford)
Hold (Newington & Winchmore Hill)
Ginger (Great Gaddesden & Flamstead)
Chidwick (Paddington, Chalfont St. Peter &Trowbridge)
Parrett (Paddington, Romsey, Fisherton Delamere, Dinton & Broad Chalke)
Davis (Oxford)
Clarkson (Newington)

Offline James R. Yeowell

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 515
  • Charles Frederick Yeowell
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #104 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 18:52 BST (UK) »
Also at the marriage of Tobie's sister in 1708, one of the witnesses was a  Daniel Micheaux/Michaud of Moncoutant. He also married an Aube, Jean, possible another of Tobie's sisters. She gives her place of origin as 'Beau' in the Il-de-France. There are a couple of place names Beauvais and Beaurepais, which are just south of Plessis-Mornay which she may be referring to.

As mentioned in my other comment, this is Beauville, in Basse Normandie.

However the only Beauville I've found is in Lot-et-Garonne, which is not in Normandie.

Edit: it could also be Deauville in Calvados.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deauville

As other Aubé's seem to be from Caen, it'd make sense if Beauville was in fact near Caen.
Yeowell (everywhere)
Lodington (everywhere)
Gerrard (Stoke Abbot)
Day (Antigua & London)
Broade (Benefield, Southwick, Turnastone, Mordiford)
Hereford (Sufton)
Pershall/Peshall (Horsley)
Ward (Lambeth, Bloomsbury & Westminster)
Stevens (Paddington & Oxford)
Hold (Newington & Winchmore Hill)
Ginger (Great Gaddesden & Flamstead)
Chidwick (Paddington, Chalfont St. Peter &Trowbridge)
Parrett (Paddington, Romsey, Fisherton Delamere, Dinton & Broad Chalke)
Davis (Oxford)
Clarkson (Newington)

Offline James R. Yeowell

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 515
  • Charles Frederick Yeowell
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #105 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 18:57 BST (UK) »
I also note mention of the Moncoutant contingent. If my research is correct, then I have a Jeanne Aubé (daughter of Jacques Aubé and Magdelaine Moutier above) marrying Daniel Michaux of Moncoutant and Poitou.

As noted elsewhere, Jeanne Aubé could also be the sister of Tobie.

It's difficult to unpick all the Aubés.
Yeowell (everywhere)
Lodington (everywhere)
Gerrard (Stoke Abbot)
Day (Antigua & London)
Broade (Benefield, Southwick, Turnastone, Mordiford)
Hereford (Sufton)
Pershall/Peshall (Horsley)
Ward (Lambeth, Bloomsbury & Westminster)
Stevens (Paddington & Oxford)
Hold (Newington & Winchmore Hill)
Ginger (Great Gaddesden & Flamstead)
Chidwick (Paddington, Chalfont St. Peter &Trowbridge)
Parrett (Paddington, Romsey, Fisherton Delamere, Dinton & Broad Chalke)
Davis (Oxford)
Clarkson (Newington)

Online coombs

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,940
  • Research the dead....forget the living.
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #106 on: Wednesday 02 June 21 23:40 BST (UK) »
Hi

The earliest I have proven my Auber/Obey line was Samuel Auber born c1720 who is the possible son of Tobias Obey and Jane Rigg of Whitechapel. Never come across Aube as a variant in my line but it is possible.

No connection to the wealthier Westminster Auber's has even been found (Isaac Auber, Peter Abraham Auber etc).

Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

Offline James R. Yeowell

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 515
  • Charles Frederick Yeowell
    • View Profile
Re: Wrong baptism all along.
« Reply #107 on: Thursday 03 June 21 00:09 BST (UK) »
Evening Coombs,

I've now read the whole thread and it has allowed me to re-assess my own Aubé/Aubers a bit. I am unsure why I linked my David Aubé/Auber as the son of Jacques Aubé and Magdelaine Moutier, as I have no dates for David. All I know is he apparently married Jeanne Riviere (I have no further information about her).

David and Jeanne had two daughters, viz.

1. Jeanne Aubé, of Caen. She married Jean Le Sage/Lesage, of Caen on 19 July 1710 at Threadneedle Street. They had at least 3 known children.
2. Louise Aubé, of Caen (my ancestor). She married Louis Cressé (born 1 June 1689, chr. 1 Dec. 1689, Threadneedle Street) on 8 August 1714, Chapel of the Hospital, Threadneedle Street. They had at least 7 children.

I haven't seen David Aubé/Auber's name mentioned in this thread but as his two daughters were of Caen, then he could belong to the Beauville line, as I have in my tree.

I do not have any access to the Huguenot Society records, so there maybe further about David Aubé/Auber in there.

James
Yeowell (everywhere)
Lodington (everywhere)
Gerrard (Stoke Abbot)
Day (Antigua & London)
Broade (Benefield, Southwick, Turnastone, Mordiford)
Hereford (Sufton)
Pershall/Peshall (Horsley)
Ward (Lambeth, Bloomsbury & Westminster)
Stevens (Paddington & Oxford)
Hold (Newington & Winchmore Hill)
Ginger (Great Gaddesden & Flamstead)
Chidwick (Paddington, Chalfont St. Peter &Trowbridge)
Parrett (Paddington, Romsey, Fisherton Delamere, Dinton & Broad Chalke)
Davis (Oxford)
Clarkson (Newington)