Wrong baptism all along.

[coombs]

Francis Fradin married at Bethnal Green in 1759 so that may be why he had his children buried there and he was buried there in 1803. His daughter Susanna who wed in 1784 had her children in Bethnal Green.

[richarde1979]

It is unusual for someone who died at the French Hospital to be buried at St Matthews, usually the patients were buried, at the hospitals expense (being paupers) at St Lukes, Old Street which was on their doorstep. This might suggest Francis did have a specific wish to be buried there, and/or someone else paid for it?

[coombs]

Yes I mean the evidence is there in black and white. Francis died in the hospital and was buried at Bethnal Green. His daughter moved away to Northants for a while by 1814 but she may have paid for it or he asked to be buried there. You never know he may even have left a will.

I have to say I am 99.9% sure the Samuel Obey who was admitted to St Thomas in 1784 is mine. Right area he was living beforehand. It gives us scope to find his burial now knowing he died after 1784. I am highly doubtful it is someone else. There is a very small chance but I dont think it is someone else.

[richarde1979]

It is strange his burial is missing at around same time period the children of Samuel Auber+Elizabeth Newmans burials are also missing. Maybe  they were buried at the same place.

[coombs]

We need to try and find what independent burial ground they used as it would complete the picture. That is the trouble with London burials, they can be very hard to trace. They were not buried at Bunhill so they must have been buried at another independent graveyard.

[froggy79]

Probably not remotely connected but just in case.... I came across this whilst looking for any history to do with my house here in Moncoutant, in the hamlet of le Plessis!! I do know someone called Michaud, and also it would be no trouble for me to pop round to one of the local cemeteries to see if there is anything that would help you in your research. i am a very amateur genealogist, and you seem to be quite pro..but hey ho the offer is there should you need it. Regards

[coombs]

Not found much on the Obey's since although FindMyPast has a few more records online. I have found RichardE79's info he has on the Ogier's of Montcoutant. Louis Ogier baptised in 1726 in Montcoutant son of Pierre Ogier and Jeanne Rabaud. Louis wed in 1751 to a Catherine and their son Louis Ogier baptised 18 June 1753 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London was the direct rellie of 36th American President Lyndon Baines Johnson.

My Francis Fradin was the same age virtually as Louis Ogier baptised in 1726. Both born in Montcoutant. As said there may be a link if I go back.

[froggy79]

Owing to lack of acknowledgement I withdraw my offer. I have little time anyway and what I have is precious. One lives and learns of course. It's MONCOUTANT, not MONTCOUTANT

[richarde1979]

Hi froggy79

Apologies if you feel as contributers to this thread we failed to suitably acknowledge your contribution. I do not personally have any ancestors in Moncoutant, and have since moved on to several other projects since last year. It was indeed a kind offer, though ultimately I think you would likely have been on a fruitless errand anyway, according to this site http://huguenotsinfo.free.fr/cimetieres/alpha.htm the only existant Protestant cemetery dates from 1858, so well after the date of the Huguenot emigrees to London. This of course is unsuprising as virtually all Huguenot burials during the relevent time 1680-1780 were of a clandestine nature due to the illegality of practising the forms and rituals of the faith in France at this time. I know there are a few surviving 'hidden' burial grounds from this time dotted across France, but they are a rarity, the exception rather than the rule.

Thanks again for your input froggy, and apologies again for any perceived rudeness towards yourself, not intended at all.

Regards

Richard