Wrong baptism all along.

[richarde1979]

Just to add Gabriel's daughter, Marie, died in the French Hospital

"Marie, native de Londres, fille de feu Gabriel Obe natif de Blois en France, refugie pour cause de Religion"

So according to her this family, if it is Samuel's, originated in Blois.

[coombs]

Hi Richard

What year was that?

Ben

[richarde1979]

Marie died in Feb 1770, but applied to the hospital in 1766 and was admitted same year.

[coombs]

Hi Richard

Those Aubers did seem to cause us some confusion until now.

I wonder about Elizabeth Newman. I know she wed Samuel Auber in November 1773 but as yet I cannot find her burial or anything to narrow down an age for her to search for her correct baptism.

Ben

[richarde1979]

Hi Ben

Just been looking at the maps. Wentworth Street, Whitechapel, the address Tobias and Jane Obey are at in 1724, runs onto and connects with Bell Yard/Lane, Whitechapel  the adress Samuel and Mary Obey are in 1740 when they baptised their first child. May be another coincidence...but makes you wonder.

[richarde1979]

I'm wondering how right Marie was saying her father was from Blois. The testimony Gabriel had when he joined in 1681 was from "Plenier". In the Huguenot Societies notes it says this is a misreading for Plessier, which is Plessis Marly/Plessis-Morney. His wife's brother Louis Rozee who joined the same day with them, later married at Threadneedle Street, and confirmed on his marriage record he was a native of 'Plessis Marly'. I'm not sure exactly where in France this is, perhaps it is in Blois, a province, though I suspect it might be in Normandy as a lot of the witnesses and assosciates of theirs in these early days appear to be from the Caen area. Louis Rozee's new wife was from the Luneray area of Normandy.

[richarde1979]

Ben

I think I have found Plessis-Mornay. Today it is 'Le Plessis Mornay', in the city of Longvilliers, part of the Il-de France region about 30 miles South West of Paris. Also at the marriage of Tobie's sister in 1708, one of the witnesses was a  Daniel Micheaux/Michaud of Moncoutant. He also married an Aube, Jean, possible another of Tobie's sisters. She gives her place of origin as 'Beau' in the Il-de-France. There are a couple of place names Beauvais and Beaurepais, which are just south of Plessis-Mornay which she may be referring to. Why Gabriel's daughter thought he was from Blois I don't know. It's possible he was born there and moved to Plessis. However also worth bearing in mind she was born nearly two decades after he had come to England, and was 70 years old and in frail health when she gave this account to the French Hospital, they are not always very reliable. Certainly all the other evidence points towards her having got this wrong.

I also found Tobie's wife listed again in the 1727-8 Royal Bounty accounts. They have done this by mistake as they listed her under both spellings, Aube, and Obey.

The second reads thus:

"Jeanne Obey, wife of Tobie, aged 33 years, her husband at sea, and for 3 burials, 1 pound, 12 shillings, 0 pence. Browns Lane Quarter, Spitalfields"

One of my ancestors, Jean Ledoux, a silk weaver like Tobie, is also listed 'away at sea' in one of the records for my family. Whether this means they served with the navy or were returning to France clandestinely to visit relatives etc I do not know. Also unhelpfully there is no greater expansion on what these three burials they paid her for relate to. Did all three of their children die at this time? If so we may be on the wrong track with searching for Samuel in this family.

[coombs]

Hi Richard

Would those 3 burials include Jeanne or not?

Ben

I did find a Tobias Obey burial in July 1728 at St Dunstan of Bethnal Green then it says (Pen) or something afterwards.

[richarde1979]

I would have said not, because the way it reads she was the recipitent of the payment, but that said, it's not exactly clear is it, and we do know she did die that year and fairly early into it. To be honest, I don't know! It's a shame they didn't record greater detail.

That Tobie burial is puzzling too isn't it. He certainly didn't die then, because of the two marriages, and he is on the next year's Royal Bounty Payments (1729) claiming money, no mention of his wife or children, but that years accounts were generally less detailed than the previous year, so again don't think we can form any firm conclusions from that alone.