Wrong baptism all along.

[froggy79]

Thank you

[coombs]

Update on Fradin family.

The Hannah Fradin buried in 1771 in Spitalfields looks like the same person who was baptised at Endell Street Holborn in November 1769. Hannah Fredrin daughter of Henry and Elizabeth Fredrin. Fredrin is probably a mistake for Fradin. Henry was a shoemaker and they lived at St James Westminster.

When Hannah was buried they lived at Corbett's Court, Spitalfields and an Elizabeth Fradain was buried there in January 1786 aged 51. So that is probably the wife of Henry.

A Henry Fradin was admitted to the French Hospital in 1799 and of the same place my Francis was from, Moncoutant En Bas Poitou.

As my Francis and Elizabeth Fradin had children baptised at La Patente Spitalfields in the Corbett's Court vicinity, it could be they also lived at Corbett's Courts.

[coombs]

I have found some more info on the Fradins as a lot of London Land Tax records have just come online.

A Francis Fradin is listed as a tenant at a house in James Street, Bethnal Green from 1780 to 1785.

A Samuel Obey/Obay is listed at Virginia Row, Bethnal Green from 1780 to 1803. He disappears after that. This has to be the same Samuel who was admitted to St Thomas Hospital in Lambeth in 1784 of Virginia Row.

And we know Susannah Auber was buried in 1815 at Christ Church Spitalfields of Bethnal Green aged 94.

I know the Francis Fradin of James Street, bethnal Green has to be my ancestor, the French immigrant who was the father of Susannah Fradin born 1765. So Susannah would have lived at James Street, Bethnal Green until she wed Dennis Helsdon in 1784.

From 1791 to 1796 a Francis Fradin is listed as a tenant at a house in White Horse Street, Stepney. I am sure it is my Francis. Maybe he went to live with a relative but thwne he was admitted to the French Hospital in 1801 he was of Bethnal Green. He may have moved back. I am sure it is the same man.

The Francis Fradin born 1731 died in 1793 in London city and is listed as living there in the registers.

Samuel Obey must have died about 1804.

[coombs]

I found Samuel Obey living in Norton Folgate sometime in 1752 and Dunnings Alley, Bishopsgate in 1766 and 1767. My ancestor Samuel lived in Gravel Lane Aldgate in late 1752 when his son was buried, Joseph son of Samuel and Susannah Obey. I dont know when in 1752 those land tax records were compiled.

[richarde1979]

Hi Ben

Francis Fradin is still at New James Street, Bethnal Green from 1785-89 but he is misspelt as 'Fardin'. He was neighbours there with my own ancestors the Bellengers and Deverdines who lived there from 1780-95, all of them tennants of Henry Busby Esq.

[richarde1979]

I'm pretty sure Francis Fradin is at the same adress too for the earliest Bethnal Green tax book ancestry have up 1767. He is listed there as 'Frans Fardain' but the neighbours names are the same Descarriers, Soberine, Gosline, Bouchard etc.

[coombs]

Hi Richard.

A Francis Fradin is then listed at White Horse Street, Stepney from 1791 to 1796. I am sure that is my Francis as he vanishes from the Bethnal Green rolls after 1789.

The 1767 one lists him at Thomas Street South, Bethnal Green. This would probably be the south side of Thomas Street. This would probably be the street where Susannah was born in 1765, his daughter.

It will be the same Francis Fradin in the 1767, 1780-1789 registers and I am sure it is the same man in the 1791-1796 registers at Stepney. The distant relative born 1731 in London died in 1793 and lived in the City.

And Samuel Obey is listed in the 1805 rolls at Virgina Row, Bethnal Green so he died about then or 1806.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi Richard.

Is your ancestor Timothy Deverdine? He was a few doors down from my ancestor Francis Fradin. Small world.

I have checked further and it seems from 1786 to 1789 the Fradins, Descarriers, Deverdines were at Thomas Street South again. But from 1780 to 1781 you have to go back a few pages to find James Street as the last street listed.

My thesis is they forgot to write down Thomas Street, making it appear to be James Street. Thomas Street was much shorter than James Street thus less houses.

Yes in 1767 Francis Fradin is at Thomas Street next to the Descarriers. If you go to the very last pages you will see a date. June 1767 and the 1783 ones was June 1783. So they seem to be compiled in May or June.

Ben

[richarde1979]

Hi Ben

I have Timothy's address in independant sources from 1786-90 as New James Street, So I think it is still the same street, after all they would have been unlikely to have moved together en masse it's perhaps a mistake in the tax books themselves which suggests they are in Thomas Street.

Richard