Wrong baptism all along.

[coombs]

I nickname Bethnal Green burials as taking place in the "Difficult Parish" because they dont given age or address at burial, just name and date of burial until PRs were standardised in 1813. Plus many pre 1813 burials at Bethnal Green are poorly written and some pages are faded.

Ie I found a Doctors Commons for 1750 which states that Jean Morin, grandfather of Susanna Fradine born 1765 died intestate and I found a burial at BG in February 1750. I then found an Elizabeth Morin burial in 1778 at BG and I believe that to be the wife of Jean Morin whom she wed in 1728. But because there was no age at burial I cannot determine if it is her.

[richarde1979]

"I nickname Bethnal Green burials as taking place in the "Difficult Parish" because they dont given age or address at burial, just name and date of burial until PRs were standardised in 1813. Plus many pre 1813 burials at Bethnal Green are poorly written and some pages are faded."

Yes I agree with this Ben, Christchurch Spitalfields, St Leonards Shoreditch, St Dunstan's Stepney and St Mary's Whitechapel all recorded more info on their burials, and are generally neater. One plus on the baptisms though is Bethnal Green often records the fathers occupation, whereas St Leonard's for all it's neatness rarely does, so it is not all bad. Best scenario is the family used both, then you get an adress and an occupation!

[richarde1979]

Just to let you know realised I did have the register of admissions to the Westminster French Protestant School this morning, they were published in Volume 4 of the Huguenot Society's proceedings some 115 years ago now. Unfortunately though this has just confirmed that no Aubers, Morins or Fradins were ever pupils at that school.

[coombs]

Hi Richard

I did mention a Hannah Fradew who was buried in July 1771 at Christ Church of Corbetts Court which is the same street that Elizabeth Fradin died in 1786. Francis and Elizabeth never had a daughter Hannah and this Hannah died aged 20 months making her born about Nov/Dec 1769 and Francis and Elizabeth had a son in March 1770. This Hannah could be a different relation though. I think there was another 1 or 2 Fradins in Spitalfields at the time.

Corbetts Court is near La Patente Spitalfields where the Fradins had their children baptised.

Ben

[richarde1979]

Hi Ben

Yes remember this. Couldn't find her baptised at La Patente with their other children either. We know he was close with his Anglicised relatives, Claude and his wife joining the Threadneedle Street Church with him when he came over. Maybe she was a relative somewhow through them, staying with them. That's all I can think.

[coombs]

Hi Richard

I am doing a biography on a few ancestors. I have done one for Samuel Obey born in 1750. I have done one on Susanne Fradin born in 1765 who wed Dennis Helsdon. I shall be doing one on Samuel Obey Snr and Francis Fradin c1725-1803.

Out of the Fradin children to Francois it seems that only Susan born 1765 and George born 1771 survived. The Elizabeth Fraden burial in 1782 is more likely to be the daughter born 1775. Susan Fradine married Dennis Helsdon in 1784 aged 19, who was an Englishman but George joined the French Church in 1789 as you found out and wed in 1805 and 1827. Even though Susan was baptised at La Patente she later married into an English family.

Also we did find out that Susan and George's father Francis was indeed a French refugee from Moncoutant in France and arrived in London in 1752 and joined the French Church in September 1752.

We then found his admittance to the hospital in 1801 after applying in 1799 aged 75. Admitted Sep 1801 and remained there until his death in June 1803. He was buried at St Matthew Bethnal Green on the 19th June 1803. After his admission date is says (L: Oct.1.) What does that mean?

FRADIN, François. Inmate.

Admitted. Sept. 19, 1801 (L: Oct.l). B/A "at our expense",

died. June 15, 1803.

RA (Date of Application): Oct.26, 1799

"Fradin François Silk Weaver, refugee of Moncoutant in Bas-Poitou, after having been three years in prison for (sake of) Religion, member of the French Church for 49 Years. Suppliants age is 75 and he can no longer work, so he prays you admit him."

Case Certified by L.Mercier, Pastor P. Beuzeville, P Dufour

[at side:] Admitted the 19 Sept " 18O1".

[richarde1979]

(L: Oct.1.) What does that mean?.

Not sure Ben, though it should say in the introductionary notes what all the abbreviations mean.

Francis Fradin certainly had an interesting back story, I hope eventually to write a piece myself, using the many families I have researched as case studies, and Francis would no doubt be included. However so many other irons in fires at moment...

[coombs]

I do know a Peter Fradin wed an Elizabeth Farless in 1748 in Mayfair. he was of Lothbury and she was of St Luke. I dont think she is the Elizabeth Fradin buried in 1786 aged 51 of Corbetts Court as that would have made her only about 14 when she married and I think Peter Fradin was born in 1716 so about 32 when he married. A Peter Fradin is buried at Christ Church Spitalfields in 1769 aged 53 of Flower And Dean Street.

A Peter Fradin was a witness to a Jane Corneau marriage at Christ Church in 1758.

[richarde1979]

St Margaret's Lothbury was quite near the French Church in Threadneedle Street, just around the corner to it in fact.