NELLIE ENGEL

[LJD]

Hi,

I'm looking for information regarding my 2xgreat aunt, Nellie Engel. She was born Nellie King in Brighton, East Sussex, England in 1872. She moved to Kent with two of her sisters on the death of her mother, Eliza, in 1890 then to London where she met and married Robert Wilhelm Engel in 1896.

Robert emigrated to New York in 1915 and Nellie followed in 1916 with their children: Dorothea, Mae, Violet, Robert, Gladys and Daisy.

I have found information regarding their emigration to New York and in the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Federal census. I have aslo been able to track down Nellie's death certificate; she died in 1930 and was buried at the Woodlawn Cemetery, NY.

Best wishes,

LJD

[avm228]

Hi LJD

You seem to have ascertained quite a lot about Nellie's life.  What further information are you hoping to find?

Anna

[LJD]

Hi Anna!

I ahve been able to find out a lot about Nellie but am hoping for some information on her son and daughters!

Best wishes,

Louise

[Lisa in California]

There are two Engels who filed for naturalization in 1932:
Engel, Dorothea Alice
Engel, Violet Maxwell
They both lived at 271 East 238th Street, Bronx, NY

[Lisa in California]

Gladys L Engel sailed from Cristobal, Canal Zone to New York, arriving in New York on 7 November 1932 on board the Santa Ana.  Address: 271 East 238 Street, New York City, NY.

Her date of birth was December 21, 1906.

Gladys Engel, single, born December 21, 1906 (date crossed off), "Nat. through Father US, City Court" 7/25
Address in U.S.: 45(?) - 5th Avenue, New York City, NY
Sailed on board the George Washington, sailing from Hamilton, Bermuda to New York, arriving 3 October 1946.

Gladys sailed again on the Santa Rosa in 1941.  Address was 45 5th Avenue.

[LJD]

Hi Lisa!

Thank you for all this amazing detailed information and for going to the trouble to reply to my post.
These are definitely Nellie's daughters. To think that Nellie started life in Victorian Brighton where her older sisters worked in domestic service and that her daughters ended up as naturalized Americans! I'm really pleased to have this information!

Many thanks from Devon, England!
Best wishes,
Louise

[shellyesq]

If you can get exact dates of birth for any of the other children, it may help.  On the Social Security Death Index (free on www.rootsweb.com), you can search by first name & birth date, in case the daughters are listed under married names.  (The SSDI covers mainly births from 1964 forward, so this is assuming that your people survived that long.)  I tried checking for Gladys with the birth date that Lisa found, but unfortunately there are 22 women that fit.  4 of them seem to have some New York connections, so those might be more likely candidates. 

[shellyesq]

I just found Dorothea's petition for citizenship, which lists her as born 8 Apr. 1897 in London, England.  I also found Violet's petition, which says she was born 4 Mar. 1900 in London, England.

Not finding much for Dorothea, but the SSDI has a Violet August with that birth date who died in Mar. 1980.  Her last address was in Bronx, NY 10457 and her last benefit went to New York, NY 10016.  Her Social Security number was issued in New York.  There are 3 other Violets on there with that birth date, but this one seems like the most similar to the information we have.

[shellyesq]

There is a death notice in the New York Times from 17 Mar. 1980 for a Violet August.  Unfortunately, all it says is that she died suddenly at home & was survived by her two sisters.  Funeral services were scheduled at Walter B. Cooke Funeral Home, 1 W. 190th St., Bronx, NY at 11 AM on Tuesday. 

Hopefully, we'll be able to find something to rule in or out this woman as your Violet.

Also, in case it helps, I found an article in the Times mentioning Robert W. Engel's will being probated in the Bronx and it appears the estate ($2000 of real property and $200 personal property) was going to daughters Violet, Gladys, and Dorothea Engel of 271 E. 238th St., the executrices.  The article is dated 28 Feb. 1934.  I also found Robert's death notice, which says he died 5 Feb. 1934.