Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike

[janeok]

Hi
Hope this helps.
Taken from National Burial Index for England & Wales Third Edition
Mary Scargill died age 66 Buried 14th May 1874 St Michael the Archangel
Joseph Scargill died age 46 Buried 14th April 1852  St Michael the Archangel
Thomas Goldthorpe died age 44 Buried 11th November 1860 Kirkheaton All Saints

[Holmemoss]

Thank you, Janeok.

I can only presume that as Mary was married for 24 years to Joseph Scargill and less than 2 years to Thomas Goldthorpe then she considered herself as a Scargill.

As Emley1786 said Mary died at Emley then she presumably returned there from Heckmondwike sometime between 1871 and 1874 and was always known as Mary Scargill in Emley; hence she was buried as such.

In the 1861 census, there is a child Betty Gawthorp aged 3 (birth place Emley) denoted as a daughter. However, Mary would have been aged around 49 in 1861 and as Betty was born in in 1857/8 then this is before Mary's marriage to Thomas Goldthorpe.

There is the registration on FreeBMD of the birth of Betty Gawthorp in Dewsbury in the June quarter of 1858 and the death of a Betty Goldthorpe registered in Dewsbury in the March quarter of 1863.

Given Mary's age, I can only presume Betty is Thomas's child from a previous marriage.

If it is not too much to ask, does the National Burial Index give anything for this death of Betty Goldthorpe?

[janeok]

Hi
Sorry unable to help with Betty Goldthorpe/Gawthorp as if she was buried in either Batley or Dewsbury Cemetery they are not on the Burial Index as yet
Chris

[Emley1786]

Betty, daughter of Robert and Hester Gawthorp baptised at Emley parish church on 2 Jan 1859. Robert's occupation was a tailor.

[janeok]

Hi

The problem of Betty now found not the daughter of Thomas.  How did you find her?
Chris

[Emley1786]

Found this baptism at findmypast.com

Perhaps need to be cautious at this stage in assuming it is the same Betty who is on the 1861 census at Heckmondwike.

Another possibility here could be that Robert was a son of Thomas Gawthorpe from an earlier marriage such that Betty was actually a granddaughter - it is quite common to find grandchildren listed as children on the census - although usually to cover instances of illegitimacy.

[trefriw]

Found this baptism
28.05.1809 Hallas Mary: father David: mother Alice: Abode Lepton

Francine

Should have said the baptism was at Kirkheaton

[Emley1786]

Date and place fit but unfortunately Mary's father is named as Jonathan in her second marriage in 1859.

[Holmemoss]

Yes, I too have Mary's father as Jonathan.

I have found a burial on the family search beta site for Thomas Goldthorpe; this being at Kirkheaton on 11 Nov 1860. This doesn't explain why Mary was living at Heckmondwike in 1861.

However, it does mean Thomas Goldthorpe was born ca 1816 so could someone possibly look for him in the 1851 census to try and ascertain if he was married with a family.

Thank you.