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Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« on: Thursday 28 October 10 09:55 BST (UK) »
Joseph Scargill married Mary Hallas at Emley on 28 Jan 1828 and they were living at Shitlington (what a nice place to live!) in 1851.

Mary was born a Lepton ca 1808. She was 43 in 1851 but I have not been able to find a baptism.

Joseph died in 1851 - as Shitlington in near Emley I think he may have been buried there but I am not sure.

Someone else has told me that Mary re-married at Kirkheaton on 16 Jan 1859 to Thomas Goldthorp(e). This is on FreeBMD in the March quarter of 1859 at Huddersfield so it seems to be correct.

The only other information I have been able to find is a Mary Gawthorp (born ca 1808 at Lepton) living in Heckmondwike in 1861. Goldthorp(e) / Gawthorpe is possible with a Yorkshire accent but Mary is a widow and why move from Emley/Kirkheaton to Heckmondwike?

They other researcher also told me that Mary died in 1874 but I have not been able to confirm this.

Any suggestions or comments are most welcome.

Thank you
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 October 10 10:35 BST (UK) »
Hi

Ancestors on both sides of my parents all lived in the Huddersfield area and they all came over to Mirfield, Batley, Dewsbury and Heckmondwike.  A few of them were Stone Masons and they would go where they could get work.
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 October 10 20:16 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this will help but has information on Kirkheaton births etc
www.kirkheatononlineparishclerk.com  ;)
Handley (Huddersfield, Thornhill, Bury)
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 October 10 20:36 BST (UK) »
Mary's second marriage is on the LDS pilot site http://search.labs.familysearch.org

Thomas GOLDTHORPE, son of George GOLDTHORPE married Mary SCARGILL, daughter of Jonathan HALLAS.

Hopefully the father's name might be helpful in searching for a baptism, although I can't spot anything likely online at the moment.   :-\

The GAWTHORP family you found in 1861 looks a fair match to me - the children Joseph, Emma and Mary Ann match well with the SCARGILL children in 1851, and Charles (aged 10 in 1861) must have been born after the 1851 census and shortly before or after Joseph's death.  (It isn't unusual to find children from a previous marriage recorded under their step-father's surname.)

I think this must be Mary with her son Charles in 1871, although strangely she is listed as SCARGILL:

RG10/4590/40/16 - Bottoms, Heckmondwike

Mary SCARGILL - Head - Wid - Emley
Charles SCARGILL - Son - 20 - Coal Miner - Emley
Ellen SCARGILL - Wife - 20 - Dewsbury
John RANGLEY - Grandson - 7 - Scholar - Heckmondwike

There is a death for a Mary SCARGILL aged 66 in Wakefield registration district (which covers Heckmondwike) in 1874, but it seems strange that she would revert to her first married name.   ???

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 October 10 10:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your responses.

I have looked at the Kirkheaton parish Clerk site but their online database is mainly burials not baptisms.

As Mary married Thomas Goldthorpe in 1858 but she was a widow in 1861 then Thomas obviously died shortly after their marriage. There is a death of a Thomas Gawthorpe recorded in Dewsbury in the June quarter of 1860 and the death of a Thomas Goldthorpe recorded in Huddersfield in December quarter of 1860. Either could be him I suppose.

I think the 'Gawthorp' family in 1861 is the correct one. My subscription to Ancestry has expired but I made a note a couple of years ago that a Betty Gawthorp, aged 3 and born in Emley, was in the household . Her birth was registered in Dewsbury in the June quarter of 1858 - so a few months after Thomas married Mary - but Mary was 54 in the 1861 census so it surely cannot have been her child.

Any comments most welcome.

Also, could someone please look to see if they can find Thomas Goldthorpe or Gawthorpe in 1851.

Thank you.
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 November 10 20:28 GMT (UK) »
The Shitlington you mention was changed to Sitlington in 1930. It is not a settlement itself but an area comprising the villages of Overton, Middlestown and Netherton, also Midgley (not to be confused with the Halifax Midgley). If I remember rightly they were in the parish of Thornhill, nr Dewsbury. Hope this is of use.
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 November 10 08:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, I am not surprised they changed the name!

Joseph Scargill and Mary's daughter, Emma, married Cornelius Hoyle. Emma's birth certificate gives Shitlington as her place of birth but, following her marriage, her place of birth was always Emley in all the censuses.
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 December 10 01:10 GMT (UK) »
Joseph Scargill was buried at Emley on 14 Apr 1852 aged 46 and Mary Scargill (of Church Street, Emley) was buried 14 May 1874 at Emley aged 66.
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Re: Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 December 10 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.

To sum up; Mary Scargill, a widow, married Thomas Goldthorpe in 1858 but he died in 1860.

Mary, for some reason, had reverted to her previous married name in the 1871 census and was buried as Mary Scargill in 1874.

I wonder why?
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