Another Conundrum - Emley/Heckmondwike

[Samueller]

The Thomas Goldthorpe who died in 1860 and was buried at Kirkheaton may be the husband of a Martha, not Mary.  In 1851 Thomas and Martha were living in neighbouring Kirkburton aged 34 and 31, both born in Shelley according to census.  In 1861 Martha was a widow with seven children aged 1 to 16.
Sam.

[Holmemoss]

Thank you for the information, Sam.

The death of another Thomas Goldthorpe was registered in the Dewsbury civil area in the March quarter of 1861. As Mary was living in Heckmondwike in the 1861 census conducted on 7th April, then perhaps this is more likely to be the correct Thomas Goldthorpe.

If so, his date of birth was 1814 rather than 1816 if anyone is kind enough to look him up in the1851 census.

[Samueller]

I couldn't find a Thomas Goldthorpe aged 37 living in Yorkshire in 1851, but two aged 38.

Thomas GOLDTHORPE aged 38, coal miner, born Foolstone (i.e. Foulstone, Holmfirth) living Berry Croft, Honley.
Hannah, wife, 42, b Honley.
George, John, Joseph, James, Elizabeth, Jane, Benjamin and Mary.

2ndly: Thomas GOULDTHORPE, 38, coal miner, born Chappeltown (could be Leeds or Sheffield) living Monk Bretton, Barnsley.
Mary, 36 b Clayton-in-the Clay, Yorks.
John, Helen, Isabella, Tom, Alfred.

The first Thomas and wife Mary were living at High Street, Dewsbury in 1871, so not the one who died in 1860.

I couldn't find the 2nd one in 1871. but didn't search fora record of  his death.

Sam

[Holmemoss]

Thank you, Sam.

When you said the first Thomas and his wife Mary; did you mean the first Thomas and his wife Hannah?

Or is the second Thomas and his wife Mary living in Dewsbury in 1871?

[Samueller]

Sorry, yes I did mean Hannah not Mary.  That's the consequence of doing research late at night when the brainn is somewhat addled.
Sam

[Holmemoss]

Thank you, Sam.

Quite obviously then it is not the Thomas living at Fulstone so, if he is the correct Thomas, then the one living at Monk Bretton with Mary and his children subsequently married Mary Scargill at Kirkheaton on 16 Jan 1859.

There is also at Chapeltown at Wortley.

I know this is tenuous but the death of a Mary Goldthorp was registered at Barnsley in the September quarter of 1857.

[Samueller]

I don't think you can be sure that Thomas GOLDTHORPE of Monk Bretton married Mary SCARGILL, but it is worth considering.  Hoopefully, some other data will confirm (or less hopefully, confound) it.

It would be worth searching for their children in subsequent censuses. Incidentally, Thomas certainly moved around.  I think the Chapeltown near Wortley that you mention is the one I attributed to Sheffield in order to distinguish it from the one in Leeds.  It was never in Wortley RD but in Ecclesfield, which was later incorporated into Sheffield.

The 1851 census (briefly) has this familym living at Shep Cote, Monk Bretton, Barnsley:
Thomas GOLDTHORPE, 38, Coal Miner, b Chappeltown.
Mary do, Wife, 36, b. Clayton-in-the Clay.
John do, 14, Hurrier, b. Yorks, Attercliffe.
Helen do, 12, b. Yorks, Duckinfield.
Isabella do, 10, b. Yorks, Ardsley.
Tom do, 6, b. Yorks, Cudworth.
Alfred do, 1, b. Yorks, Monk Bretton.

In addition to the Mary GOLDTHORPE you mention who died in Barnsley in 1857, there was another who died in the December 1/4 of 1860 and a Mary Hannah GOLDTHORPE, who may be the same person, in the same 1/4, both Barnsley.

Sam

[Samueller]

Further to the above post, I am afraid a search for his children rules out this Thomas as the one who married Mary SCARGILL.

I had already searched in the name GOLDTHORPE, without finding them in 1861, but I have now entered 'GAWTHORPE' and discovered they were living at Hollinwell, Worsbro', Barnsley.

Thomas GAWTHORP [sic], 47, Coal Miner, b. Yorks, Chapeltown.
Mary do, 45, b. Yorks, Clayton.
Tom do, 16, Coal Miner, b. Yorks, Cudworth.
Alfred do, 11, Labr., b. Bunk Bretton [The informant obviously had a bad cold!]
Emma do, 9, Scholar, do.
Sarah Ann do, 8, do, do.
Mary HAGUE, Mother-in-Law, 78, Visitor, b. Leicester.

Sam.

[Holmemoss]

Thank you again, Sam. So it was neither of the Thomas Goldthorpe/Gawthorpes you found.

Back to square one!

In the back of my mind, I seem to remember either reading or seeing somewhere that some (a lot?) of the 1851 census for the Barnsley area was missing or so illegible that it was not scanned.

If I am right then it is possible that 'my' Thomas Goldthorpe is simply not there.

I have looked back at my notes and Thomas was born ca 1814 with his father being George. Thomas would have been aged around 27 in 1841 (so his age given as 25 in 1841) but he may already have been married.