ship manifests

[feeline190]

Hi
I have a letter that was sent to a family member in september 1873. The person who wrote this letter was called Charles Hartley and he was writing to his parents from a ship. Unfortunately the letter doesn't have the parents address or names but it does name his little sister Polly. The ship he was on was the 'coasting steamship Monarch of North Shields' it set out on April 1st and it was heading for germany. He also mentions a Heywood Arms which I have a feeling is a pub. I am trying trace this side of the family as he is the only link to my Hartley side and this is all I have. My grandma seemed to believe that there was a link to Hartley jam which I believe was started in Burnley, Lancashire.
What I want to know is whether there is anyway of finding out if there is a ship manifest and what sort of info is on them?
Any help will be much appreciated
Thanks
Feeline190

[esdel]

The local newspaper of the day sometimes noted ships departures and arrivals, passengers etc.
Also true for Germany I expect.

Lloyds may have a record of that ship and try all the ports it may have visited.

Good hunting!

[kris_baxter73]

I believe the website "Find my past" has ship passenger lists.

Here is a list of Hartley monumental inscriptions for Burnley http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/talkback/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=513

[esdel]

Some info on Hartleypool ships:

The Castle Eden:
Built by Thomas Richardson of Castle Eden and John Parkin of Sunderland.
They established a shipyard at Old Hartlepool in 1835.

William Grey started a shipbuilding company at Hartlepool in 1862.
Gray was one of the most influential men in the area and became the first mayor of West Hartlepool in 1887.

William Gray shipbuilders won the Blue Ribband prize for maximum output in 1878, 1882, 1888, 1895, 1898 and 1900. The yard closed in 1961.


I hope this may help in some way - try Google ships
esdel

[ShaunJ]

Hartley's Jam was founded by Sir William Pickles Hartley.

In the 1871 census he was a dry salter in Colne, Lancs (William Pickels Hartly) and had a daughter Polly aged  1

[kris_baxter73]

Re: http://www.hartleyfamily.org.uk/Fame2SZ.htm

William's HARTLEY family is thought to be Lancashire Huguenot Yeomen, some of whom had lived and farmed in the Trawden area since the 16thC, in particular near Barley at the foot of Pendle Hill since sometime around 1620. They later went from farming to become fairly modest local Grocers in the district. [The HARTLEY family only lived in Trawden for a short time and never farmed there. William and Christiana HARTLEY lived in a small shop/house that belonged to Christiana's father, Christopher LISTER: Gordon Hartley]

Possible family grave at Colne http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Grave%20Stones/St%20Bartholomew/H/Hartley.htm

[ShaunJ]

No Charles Hartley in the family though?

[feeline190]

Thanks all for the help! Still looking for the connection but its difficult because I don't know for sure where they're from. I need to get my Grt Grandad's wedding cert so I can start from there!

[Galium]

William Pickles Hartley is probably a bit young (25 in 1871) to have a son travelling to Germany without his parents in 1873.   

I think you would need to look for a family a bit older than this one. 

If the family you are looking for is from Lancashire, a possible fit in 1871 is:

62 Bottomgate, Blackburn
Robert Hartley    head       40       Beerseller and Cotton Waste dealer
Margaret Hartley wife       42
Charles Hartley    son           17  Cotton Weaver
William Hartley     son        15 
*Margaret A Hartley  daur       10
Robert Hartley      son         7
Hannah Marshall   serv      18  General servant

All born in Blackburn

*Polly can be a pet name for Margaret, and in fact the daughter of Robert and Margaret Hartley is named Polly in later censuses.

This site:

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/lancashire/blackburn.html

does not include a Heywood Arms, but there is a Hopwood Arms, which was at 3 Bottomgate. This pub existed in 1871, and can be found with census ref: Class: RG10/Piece: 4177/ Folio: 67/ Page: 7