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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #90 on: Sunday 19 January 25 12:18 GMT (UK) »
Good work with the blog Martin,will have a good look.

Hi BushInn1746, Jervis was an interesting character and sad how things turned out

Obituary  Saturday 1 November 1845 Staffordshire Advertiser
                                       Death of a singular character
We have to record the death, on Tuesday last at the age of 73 years of Jervis Forrester, a person whose eccentricities have long caused him to be well known in the north of this county. He was for a considerable period the Landlord of the Cellar-head Inn, then a much frequented public house at the point where the Hanley and Cheadle, and the Leek and Sandon roads intersect each other, near Werrington. Some years ago, after having carried on with supposed success, the multifarious occupations of publican, farmer, Maltster, brick maker and master collier, he was declared bankrupt an his creditors were great losers. Forrester himself declared, that has be been entrusted with winding up his affairs, his estate would have been sufficient to have met all just demands; and he is said to have made the curious vow, that he would not be shaved, not have his hair cut, till all his debts were paid. Be this as it may, his conduct, henceforward, he was remarkable for eccentricity. He allowed his beard to grow till it rivalled that most venerable Israelite; and his flowing locks reached over his shoulders. He was a tall man, and as if yet not sufficiently remarkable, he mounted a huge fur cap, like a grenadier's and wore a large blue cloak with a red collar. Thus accountred and sometimes led by one dog, but occasionally by two or three of of his canine friends, he wandered about the country, sometimes selling matches or tracts, at other times singing hymns or ballads; now conversing with proprietary on religious subjects, and anon found in the most profane company. He was a visitant at all the wakes and fares in the country. We need scarcely say, that in his peregrinations he met with much ridicule and arrogance, which he bore almost unmoved. He generally attended a place of worship on the Sabbath, and regularly communicated with apparent devotion at one of the churches in the potteries. Last Sunday he went to Leek wakes and was insulted and abused by some drunken men. In the scuffle he was much bruised. On Monday he returned to his lodging at Wetly Rocks; he complained of the treatment he had received appeared ill, and died on Tuesday afternoon. The report that his death was the consequence of the ill treatment he had received, caused an inquest to be held at the Powy's arms before John catlow Esq. Captain Powys and Mr Russell the superintendent of police at Leek were present. The evidence of Mr Tomkinson, surgeon of Cheadle was taken, and although there was general opinion that the ill treatment he had suffered must have had a serious effect upon a person of his age, yet in the absence of positive proof, that his death attributable to other then natural caused a verdict to that effect was returned. He has left a widow and eight or nine children, but domestic difference had estranged him from them. His forlorn condition excited much pity among those who knew him under other circumstances.

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #91 on: Sunday 19 January 25 16:19 GMT (UK) »
A sad end indeed.
I am of the opinion that those ruffians from Leek were to blame.
But hard for the Police to prove anything. Also we have to consider that the Police had only just been invented.

I have him covered in a page with those very strange songs from "The Moorland Jew".
https://feledziak7.wordpress.com/2024/11/18/9-jervis-forrester-1772-1845/

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #92 on: Sunday 19 January 25 16:30 GMT (UK) »
To Sally G ............

I have put your suggestion to the developers of the " Wood Heath" housing development, on the land in Great Wyrley/ Cheslyn Hay, where Emmanuel Forrester was coal master.
Which I think is a cracking idea.

We have to be careful as I am convinced there will be problems with the old mine shafts which litter that site. So "Pit Shaft Street" is probably a non starter.

BUT how could they turn down " Forrester Way" as a name for the Wood heath theme.

I will let you know if I get a reply.

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #93 on: Sunday 19 January 25 17:47 GMT (UK) »
There was a Forrester listed in the Rebellion, but it proves nothing as it is.

This Volume, printed from a Manuscript in his possession, is presented to the member's of the Scottish History Society by the Earl of Rosebery, President.

September, 1890.



A List of Persons
Concerned in
The Rebellion
Transmitted To The Commissioners of Excise
By The Several Supervisors In Scotland
In Obedience To A General Letter of
The 7th May 1746

Rebel List

Silvester Forrester, Workman, of Ley in the Parish of Lintrethan
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Gave Evidences

Evidences' Names
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Alex. Forrester, Vintner, Ja. Forrester, Maltman, both in Kilsyth. ...
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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #94 on: Sunday 19 January 25 17:57 GMT (UK) »
Bushinn1746

Are you in support of "Jacobite John" route ?
I do like the idea but need some convincing.

I did present this view on another page.
https://feledziak7.wordpress.com/2024/11/20/17-the-alternative-john-forrester/

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #95 on: Sunday 19 January 25 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Just posting the Forrester name published in 1890, because somebody mentioned it.

It proves nothing, as it is.

Added:- Their Names will be recorded in Prison Records and probably in other Official records.

A lot of the charges were Treason or Treasonable contact with the enemy, etc. If they pleaded guilty they were not sent to Trial, but received the Sentence for Treason.

It could be an in-law, or relative by marriage who was involved.
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I am aware that the Wife of another family whose husband simply supported the cause was arrested.

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #96 on: Thursday 23 January 25 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Had a look at the blog, great stuff.
https://feledziak7.wordpress.com/2024/11/18/emmanuel-forrester-1769-1836/
With Emanuel Forrester Snr b abt 1769-1836  it shows he was doing pretty well.

This is from a newspaper clipping 1802 during the time he was at Coal Pit Ford nr Cheddleton:
                                          TO BE LET,
                             And entered upon immediately,

Two Lime Kilns, at Basford Bridge, near Cheddleton, and one at Froghall, all adjoining the Caldon Canal; a Colliery at Shafferlong, near Cheddleton, and an overshot Water Wheel, 40 feet high, and another Wheelrace nearly finished, for an overshot Wheel, 30 feet high. The Colliery comprises two Veins of Coal, one extremely good for house use, and the other for burning of Lime. The Water Wheel and situation for the other are within half a mile of the Caldon Canal, and well adapted for Flint Mills or other Manufactories.

For further particulars apply to Mr. EMANUEL FORESTER, at Coal Pits Ford, near Cheddleton.

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #97 on: Friday 24 January 25 09:47 GMT (UK) »
Nice article.
if possible .............
Can you post up the news paper clipping ?
Those water wheels are such unusual items not often read about them before.

Nice to read about Shafferlong too.
https://www.mindat.org/loc-381292.html

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #98 on: Friday 24 January 25 11:56 GMT (UK) »
This is the newspaper clipping dated 18 Dec 1802