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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 23:58 GMT (UK) »



No probs with your comment. I understand the privacy issues completely, my comment actually said" ancient family history", just if we are all searching for the same info, why would a contributor ask for help with info and then not be kind enough to share what they have for the benefit of all

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 :)  Actually you wrote "almost ancient family history" 

Did you look at the contents of the Coroner's Report, or just at the Image of the Index of the Reports? 

One of the reasons people ask for help is to learn further about their ancestors.  One of the reasons it is not then shared for everyone to read is simply that there are many evil persons around who if they were seeking to CON elderly neighbours out of say some cash money, they could easily obtain the names of the neighbours deceased parents or deceased cousins etc by using family history information gleaned from the web.  Another reason could well be simply that there are copyright issues if sharing documents.  The information in the documents may be shared, but the documents or images of those documents may be subject to copyright.  Another reason could be that if uploading a family tree to a commercial website, then they may be uploading both their paternal and maternal lines.  It seems logical to me that it could then be that lazy researchers could then copy both those lines and insert both into their own tree.  Thus linking into their own tree many people who are in no way connected to their own family tree. 

I am sure there are many other reasons for not uploading research to the web.   I share my own family history research with persons whom I have found to be in my own tree and who have expressed an interest in sharing in return.  I do not upload my tree to the web.  I tend to enjoy doing my own research, and helping others with their research, by giving them index references or transcribing from my NSW offline reference books.   

Also, I tend to think of records as being of two main types.  Primary records (for example, birth certificates with the parents and siblings details for the person whose birth is being registered, (marriage, death certs too); official archived records held in recognised Archives eg NSW State Records Office holdings for land grants etc with applicant's details in the applicant's own hand;  to Secondary records .... eg newspaper cuttings, or INDEXES eg the NSW BDM online INDEX .... or the Index for the Coroner's Reports....

I have living relatives who were born before and during WWI.  They are very much alive and alert and are very insistent on making sure that their names and other identifying details are not uploaded to any family history website. This is because they wish to protect their descendants from Identity theft or other privacy invasions.   Yes, their names and addresses are on the Electoral Rolls that Ancestry has made available online, so too am I on those rolls.   Some of my "almost ancient" living relatives have resided at their current address since their births.   They would of course be offended if I said to any of them "Hello you almost ancient relatives"....  They much prefer me to phone and say "Well you can hear that I haven't kicked the bucket, and as you have answered your phone, I can hear that you haven't yet either"...  :)

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 00:06 GMT (UK) »
hi

thanks, I get all that and respect your opinion, just in our family we have a member that thinks he "owns" all the family history and that he has intellectual rights around it, which means the rest of us struggle when it could be so easy. for example he insists that a relative John Morgan died in Qld when in fact I have now proved at great cost that he died in Queens Park in WA

Anyway (lol) there is in every family one of his type

I will just keep plodding along as I was before

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 00:32 GMT (UK) »
From an Index to Inquests and Magisterial Inquiries   page 5804
Name of Deceased:  Oldham Cecilia
Age : 55 years
Where born:  Ireland
Location where death occurred : “Marquis of Lorne Hotel”, Tamworth
Cause of Death : Excessing drinking
Value of property possessed by the Deceased:  Deceased was married.  It did not appear she had any separate estate.
Other Remarks :  (nothing recorded)

Source :  NSW Government Gazette 1882 (exact page number cited above)

When there's someone who thinks he/she "owns" it all, don't keep banging your head, move on as though you have knocked over a slight hurdle.  He has legal rights to his own published works, but no one owns the information in the official records that are made available to members of the general public.   It is up to you if you share your research with him, but that does not mean he has to share his research with you.

But do remember to carefully study the original records, or at least aim to get to those original records for yourself.  I have such very happy memories of being at NSW Archives and carefully studying original records.  My interest in family history is of many decades duration, it is a hobby for a lifetime.  I am always keen to find new things to do with my forebears.  And in my experience you will come across persons who think they are the only person qualified to be the owner of the information.   Neither you nor the other researchers OWN the information.  But as a hobby, it is not worthy of any family history buff to get offended by the unwillingness of others to share their own research.   Afterall, it is your chosen hobby, just as it is other persons' chosen hobby.   How we conduct ourselves when at our own chosen hobbies is our own choice.

Cheers,  JM
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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 01:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

Noticing that the Marquis of Lorne Hotel definitely had "e" in that spelling at that time.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70955026 Australian Town and Country Journal  23 April 1881
“Tuesday, April 19
It is reported in Tamworth that a woman named Mrs Oldham was robbed and murdered last night in the vicinity of the Marquis of Lorne Hotel.  An inquest on the body is to be held this afternoon.......

The inspector of police reports to the head office that Tamworth is singularly free from crime; yet every issue of the local papers records some new crimes”.


I think the report of the apparent robbery and murder of Mrs Oldham may be caught up in the Journal’s editorial comment re crimes at Tamworth, as the cutting has detailed another apparent crime as well.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/816811  Maitland Mercury 23 April 1881 “Mrs Oldham, formerly Mrs Henry, of Dungowan, died also on Monday last very suddenly.  She has been a resident of this district for a large number of years, and leaves a large family all in the years of manhood to mourn their loss”. 

Cheers,  JM
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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 01:09 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou, some very wise advise and food for thought.
Thanks kindly for the information
A :)

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 06 October 22 13:17 BST (UK) »
Hi all new to this site very confusing re frederick henry  i have a  original family tree  done in 1956 by mary jane power and cecilia knox  granddaughters of fred and cecelia   Elizabeth Henry was their mother    Fred died in tamworth   Elizabeth married john morgan  and he buzzed iff somewhere    Elizabeth died 1932 buried rookwood cemetry i have photos of her and most if the morgan family mary jane morgan married andrew albert power she is my great grandmother if  u can give me any help or i can give u pls  pass on info my grandmother is Leila power married sid clarke    Andrew power buzzed off too hes buried at bingara cemetry

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 09 October 22 10:08 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Frederick is my third great grandfather and I have been looking into his history as well. I have found some things on Ancestry but have not been able to locate his grave. My father remembers stories about him saying he was in the Army as a cover story for him being imprisoned as a convict and that he was an educated man. He also thought he was in the police force but I can't find any record of that. Does anyone know where he might be buried?