Pat. Unfortunately still no birth certs for John, Francis, or Rbt Bruce. I have based John Hall's verification of parents and his wife's name from his death register. Also known marriage to Jane Chalmers. Death: d. 10 Aug 1895 age 68, High St, Clackmannan, m. to Jane Chalmers, Parents: John Hall (deceased), Margaret McNaughton (deceased), inf son John Hall Abbey Rd, Stirling.