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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #261 on: Friday 03 December 10 08:49 GMT (UK) »
I may well be wrong but I thought today's entry referred to something like a promotional diary for the coal-yard to give out to their customers?  Cutting it a bit fine though if it's to be ready for distribution in time for the new year!

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I agree, I think it is a work related item, I imagine it is a ledger to record the day to day coal in/coal out transactions.  As regards it being ready for the New Year, well, they didn't hang about in those days - everything from new dresses to burials via court cases was done and dusted within a few days.

I started to watch The Georgian House, a new series on TV last night.  The researcher used information from surviving diaries from 18th century and there are several stored in various archives all over the country.  I wonder if Westminster Archives have another diary (by someone else) up their sleeve for next year?
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
Boullen - London then Carlisle then Manchester
Comer - Manchester and Galway

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #262 on: Friday 03 December 10 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Yeah I wondered if it meant his next diary but concluded that "day book" was an odd term for it, and therefore that it must be a work-related thing instead.

As for other diaries, like Carole says I think it's likely that a number of Nat's diaries passed to Aleck Abrahams, who definitely owned a collection of very valuable books, as he referred to them enough in Notes and Queries.  I imagine therefore that his books were auctioned off or sold to a bookseller on his death; it's unlikely that anyone would be daft enough to simply dump a large collection of antiquarian books.  So I think there's a reasonable chance that others have survived and are in private collections somewhere.  Just not in the same place.  But I haven't given up hope that another one will still surface.

Dunno if I said this before, but I was reading a bit on the antique book trade while googling around in hope of finding information.  Anyway I came across something by some collector who was saying how much collecting rare books is about establishing contacts with other collectors.  Apparently the nature of the trade is that the really interesting items are often not listed in catalogues or sold at auctions, but traded on a more personal basis.  So that gives me hope that other diaries could still be around even if there's no solid evidence to support it.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #263 on: Saturday 04 December 10 02:51 GMT (UK) »
It would be wonderful if this is the case and at least some of Nathaniel's other diaries survived. We live in hope.

Another day with no diary entry. Sad.

After all this is over maybe we should all get back to searching for more of Nathaniel's descendants. I know we have covered this elsewhere, but there must be more to be found.  :)

And I'm glad that you all think the day book is work related - I don't feel so sad now. And they certainly did make things quickly in those days and it would have been quality workmanship by skilled craftsmen. Amazing achievements. Remember how quickly Nat got his new hat?  ;) I was expecting him to have to wait for months.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #264 on: Sunday 05 December 10 11:06 GMT (UK) »
I cannot remember whether anyone noticed this one:-
1861 RG9/1059/45/P4  10 Rathbone St, Plaistow, West Ham, Essex
Ann Fox; Head; Widow; 60; Bible Woman; born Middlesex, Strand.

In the 1851 census she seems to say her birthplace is Green St which could be the street which is now Irving St, Leicester Sq & thus in Strand district.

Perhaps she "got religion" and worked among the dockers.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #265 on: Sunday 05 December 10 12:50 GMT (UK) »
I cannot remember whether anyone noticed this one:-
1861 RG9/1059/45/P4  10 Rathbone St, Plaistow, West Ham, Essex
Ann Fox; Head; Widow; 60; Bible Woman; born Middlesex, Strand.

In the 1851 census she seems to say her birthplace is Green St which could be the street which is now Irving St, Leicester Sq & thus in Strand district.

Perhaps she "got religion" and worked among the dockers.

Hi Mongibello. By chance I discovered that Deb found that Ann Fox back in Part 4. I suppose it could very well be her.

Maybe she had religion all along.  ;) Nathaniel mentions her churchgoing on a regular basis.

A widow? If this Ann Fox doesn't appear on any other census then she might be our Ann.  :) Just looked and I couldn't see her in 1851 ....

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #266 on: Sunday 05 December 10 13:36 GMT (UK) »
I have a 'gut' feeling that Ann did not survive to appear in the 1861 Census.  There are loads of deaths in her name in Middlesex between 1851-1861 .....  :'(

She was meticulous in her accuracy on age in 1851 but did not reveal her marital status:  perhaps she was uncertain?  A  husband - perhaps a seaman? - could have been absent for some years?
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #267 on: Sunday 05 December 10 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps her lack of marital status in 1851 was just an oversight.  ;) In 1841 she is said to be 30, so born 1811 which is way out even allowing for rounding.

Anyhow looking at all the Ann Fox deaths on Ancestry this is the closest age wise if that is our Ann in 1861 as found by Deb and Mongibello:

St Marylebone
Ann Fox w (wid?) age 61 'Laundress' (maybe she gave up the bible woman job  ;))
died 22 Feb 1864 10am
workhouse
admitted Nov 11 '63
cause of death: chronic bronchitis



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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #268 on: Sunday 05 December 10 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

I do remember finding her although we had a problem with her occupation ...I think we thought she was a BIBB woman  ;D ;D

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Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #269 on: Sunday 05 December 10 14:49 GMT (UK) »
This one adds to the confusion in the Workhouse 1861:
FOX, Ann   Pauper Widow 56 Laundress born Welwyn Hertford
RG09 piece 76 folio 115 page 17.

In order to attribute the costs of her stay, the Board of Guardians would presumably have established her origins.

SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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