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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #216 on: Monday 22 November 10 22:12 GMT (UK) »
I did write "Fairly recent"!   It seems that it was closed for burials in 1854 and developed about 1964.   See Hansard for 11 Feb 1964.
Oh dear, that's disappointing but not surprising ....  :-\

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #217 on: Monday 22 November 10 22:45 GMT (UK) »
I think this must be a mistranscription of 6ft deep. Sixteen feet is a VERY deep grave.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #218 on: Monday 22 November 10 23:04 GMT (UK) »
6 ft is a grave for one person; graves go deeper for more (I think by 2 ft per person) 16 ft is deep but I guess that is what impressed NB!

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #219 on: Tuesday 23 November 10 08:28 GMT (UK) »
I assume a 16' grave was dug so that he could later be joined by his wife and possibly also a child or two. It still seems quite a feat. The ground around would be well disturbed already and they might well also have had to dig up an earlier internment, as London burial grounds were continually being reused . I should also think there would be a good chance of a hole that deep filling up with water. Health and safety wouldn't be very keen on that kind of thing today.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #220 on: Thursday 25 November 10 00:09 GMT (UK) »
Another interesting entry today (Thursday) mentioning Nathaniel's previous employment as an errand boy.

Got to rush out now, but will be back later to do some research.  :)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #221 on: Thursday 25 November 10 08:55 GMT (UK) »
This must be her - 1841 Census HO107 Piece 675 Folio 14/43

Hanway Street, St Marlebone:

Charles Emery 61 Ironmonger
Susanna Emery 64 Wife
Susanna Emery 32 Milliner
Isabella Emery 30 Milliner
Margaret ?Boulton (it's very faint) 20 Servant

Their ages don't match exactly but Isabella Emery aged 39 of 25 Hanway Street St Marylebone was buried in Kensal Green
Cemetery 4 December 1846. She was baptised at St Jame's Clerkenwell d/o Charles and Susannah 20 March 1808 - I think the same day as she was born.

I hadn't thought of it before but I expect errand boys came in useful in the days before telephones taking notes to customers and acting as a courier service.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #222 on: Thursday 25 November 10 10:42 GMT (UK) »
The house number is written in at the side of the census page - it was 24 Hanway Street (tallies with the diary)
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #223 on: Thursday 25 November 10 12:06 GMT (UK) »
I must say my eyebrows shot up when Nat casually mentions that Miss Isabella Emery was one of his former mistresses, and I immediately wondered why he hadn't written it in shorthand. Then he mentioned being an errand boy for her, and I felt slightly ashamed for thinking such things!

It's not really surprising that Nat's so interested in death/funerals/graves and inscriptions when so many people he knew were dying so young. On the episode of the Edwardian Farm before the one last night (for anyone who's not watching, it's a TV show where a group of historians and archaeologists experience life as it would have been like on a farm in the early years of the 20th century), there was an expert who spoke of Hallowe'en as being not just about the ghosties and witches and ghouls that we play around with now, but that it was the harbinger of winter, which in a very real way did bring death with it, through the cold and the lack of food. I hadn't thought of it that way before. Death was never very far away for our ancestors, so it's natural that they should be mindful of it.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #224 on: Saturday 27 November 10 12:32 GMT (UK) »
From today's entry it sounds like London 1846 was every bit as cold as it is today, everyone was buying coal to keep warm.