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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #207 on: Monday 22 November 10 01:52 GMT (UK) »
We were missing Nat, but what if Ann had missed something more significant:  her 'cycle'?  After the Sunday when she was 'plastered', there were Sundays on 4-weekly rotations when she either did not accompany him anywhere or she was not mentioned at all.   :-[
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BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #208 on: Monday 22 November 10 08:53 GMT (UK) »
What a brilliant description of a funeral complete with funeral mutes who must have been going out of fashion even them. Simply people paid to look mournful - I found these funeral mutes from a bit later than 1846 but they would have looked much like this:



I'm just thinking what an amazing feat it was to dig a grave 16' deep- and how dangerous with the risk of the whole thing caving in on the grave diggers. John McAuliffe greengrocer of 18 James Street left a PCC will PROB 11/2049 and I think he's on the 1841 census at John Street with his wife Caroline and 4 children. His death is on FREE BMD but not on Ancestry London burials.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #209 on: Monday 22 November 10 10:29 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant entry today.
I love Nat's impatience at Ann not turning up!!!
I'm not young enough to know everything.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #210 on: Monday 22 November 10 11:49 GMT (UK) »
What a brilliant description of a funeral complete with funeral mutes who must have been going out of fashion even them. Simply people paid to look mournful - I found these funeral mutes from a bit later than 1846 but they would have looked much like this:

I'm just thinking what an amazing feat it was to dig a grave 16' deep- and how dangerous with the risk of the whole thing caving in on the grave diggers. John McAuliffe greengrocer of 18 James Street left a PCC will PROB 11/2049 and I think he's on the 1841 census at John Street with his wife Caroline and 4 children. His death is on FREE BMD but not on Ancestry London burials.

Carole

Well spotted the Mute reference Carole. I dismissed that part of the entry and I'd never heard of Mutes anyway. What an education this diary is.  :) I've heard of paid mourners of course but didn't know they were called Mutes. I must do some googling to find out more.  ;)

Yes, 16 feet is extremely deep - I never would have thought that a grave would (or could) be dug that deep. Earlier I looked at google maps but it's so built up around St George Hanover Square that there doesn't appear to be a burial ground remaining - shame. Mr McAuliffe was buried so deep that he might still be there though.  :)

I keep losing posts - I replied earlier saying that dee-jay may have a point about why Ann is regularly indisposed.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #211 on: Monday 22 November 10 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the explanation Carole, I hadn't realised what "Mutes" was about.

What a wonderful description of where the grave was, if only we had something of the sort for some of our own we might be able to find them ;)
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #212 on: Monday 22 November 10 14:35 GMT (UK) »
I know there has been speculation about Ann being at Stephen Street on here but is this the first reference from NB to confirm where she lived?

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #213 on: Monday 22 November 10 17:26 GMT (UK) »
I know there has been speculation about Ann being at Stephen Street on here but is this the first reference from NB to confirm where she lived?

See 26 Apr and 24 May.
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #214 on: Monday 22 November 10 20:06 GMT (UK) »
St George's burial ground was to the north of Bayswater Road and has been built on.   The road there now is called St George's Field.   This is fairly recent, the 1955 LCC list of streets does not mention it.  It is just west of Marble Arch, the site of Tyburn gallows.     

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 8)
« Reply #215 on: Monday 22 November 10 20:36 GMT (UK) »
I did write "Fairly recent"!   It seems that it was closed for burials in 1854 and developed about 1964.   See Hansard for 11 Feb 1964.