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Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 20:20 BST (UK) »
Can anyone please help me find information about an ancestor of mine who was transported to Van Diemens Land in 1841.   He was sentenced to 7 years transportation for theft at Norwich, Norfolk, England.
He went out on HMS Isabella in April 1841.
His name was Edward HOLMES; born 1792 Norwich, Norfolk;  trade weaver;  he was a widower and left seven children in England.
I would be most grateful for any information or assistance to enable me to find my ancestor.   Did he stay in Tasmania;  did he re-marry and have another family;
the questions are endless.
Aquilegia18

Rowley - Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Staffordshire
Dawson - Nottinghamshire
Holmes- Norfolk, Derbyshire

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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 October 10 20:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Aquilegia :)

The Tasmanian Archives have their convict records digitised and available online:

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11

Cheers
Prue

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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 October 10 20:48 BST (UK) »
Hi there
I have found Edward and the ship Isabella - if you search for
British Convict transportation registers 1841 it will bring the
information up when you type the convicts name. Alot of the other
information sites on there you have to sign in to find the information
so maybe if you can look at it you will find out more. Looks really interesting.

regards Sandymc 
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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 October 10 22:30 BST (UK) »
Further to Prue's post

Edward Holmes,
Ship Isabella (2)
29jan1842 - 21may1842
departed Woolwich

Convict conduct record direct link
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-20,280,110,F,80

Indent Convict no. 4775
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-14,301,41,F,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-14,301,42,F,34

Identity / description
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-31,227,35,F,80

(could be a red herring ?
I found this fella, who matches a birth year of 1797.
(Could not see any deaths to 1900 for a Edward Holmes in Tasmania that fits his age?)
Edward Holmes age 51 died 1848 NSW reg no. V1848828 33b/1848

Sydney Chronicle, NSW page 2 11th Jan 1848.
A second inquest was held at the same place on the body of a man named Edward Holmes, who also died in the Sydney Infirmary. From the evidence of the wardsman it appeared that the deceased, who was about fifty years of age, was received into the Infirmary on the 3rd instant; he was then rather in 'toxicated. He stated that he had been riding on his dray, and that in jumping off near Ireland's public house the bullock kicked him and knocked him down, when the wheel passed over his leg. Dr. MacEwan received a similar statement from the deceased, who said that he was tipsy at the time the circumstance occurred, and blamed no one. Dr. MacEwan stated that gangrene set in almost immediately after the deceased's admission into the Infirmary, which had been the cause of death. The jury returned a verdict of died from injuries acci- dentally received.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0a4u/

Edit - His conduct record, shows (centre bottom in red)
26 Jan 1847 T.L. = granted, Ticket-of-leave.



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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Land 1841
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 October 10 19:49 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to PrueM;  Sandymc47 and LoganH for your speedy responses to my request for help.   I am very grateful to each of you and for all the information you have supplied.   It's going to keep me busy for weeks!!!

To LoganH : I would not rule out the possibility that the Edward Holmes in the Sydney Chronicle is 'my' Edward Holmes.   He was baptised 1792 in Norwich, Norfolk, England, but ages were not always stated correctly.   According to the "Isabella" records, Edward was still in Tasmania in 1847 but I suppose he could have moved to Sydney if he had completed his sentence.   
Could you give me any advice about checking whether he was released from his transportation sentence and when.
Kind regards,
Aquilegia18 
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Dawson - Nottinghamshire
Holmes- Norfolk, Derbyshire

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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 October 10 20:33 BST (UK) »
Hi there

Sometimes in the Con records one is able to find additional information, family members, date of release, in the applications for permissions to marry it states whether free or not and gives an indication as to marriage.

Departures is a good place to look if you think he left.

I found children of my 4x grandfather on http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

As you say there is a lot to keep you busy for a long time.

Happy reading.

Northumberland/Durham=Keen,Spark,Harding,Davison,Salmon
Staffordshire=Johnson,Podmore,Hallam,Wood,Ford,Holmes,Plant,Ash
Wiltshire=Gingell,Gough,Bridgeman
Tasmania=Higgins,Johnson

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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 October 10 20:45 BST (UK) »
In 1849, Australia Convict Musters 1806-1849
Edward Holmes, Isabella 2nd, Norwich, 7, free.
Northumberland/Durham=Keen,Spark,Harding,Davison,Salmon
Staffordshire=Johnson,Podmore,Hallam,Wood,Ford,Holmes,Plant,Ash
Wiltshire=Gingell,Gough,Bridgeman
Tasmania=Higgins,Johnson

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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 October 10 04:05 BST (UK) »
Hobart Town Gazette Friday February 16th 1844 page 223

Convict Department

A list of 3rd class probabation pass holders per the Isabella (2) included

4775 Holmes Edward

Gerry




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Re: Transported to Van Diemens Lane 1841
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 October 10 04:16 BST (UK) »
Hobert Town Gazette December 24th 1844 page 1535

Convict Department
Comptroller General's Office 20th December 1844

"The following engagement of pass-holder in private service has been sanctioned by the Lieutenant Governor".

including

Edward Holmes Isabella 2, by Henry Jones, Green Ponds, 1 month , 2nd ditto.

2nd ditto means ditto from the previous entry which was 2nd December.

Looks like Edward Holmes was allocated to a Mr Henry Jones of Green Ponds for 1 month as of 2nd December 1844.

Gerry