at the end of my tether

[little h]

hi, hoping someone can help me find my gt X2 grandfathers birth & his parents, have finally got his marriage certificate & was hoping to find him in the cencus but its still not helping, am i missing something ?

my grandfather was Charles Simpson married Mary Florence Neale 3 june 1895 at Masbrough, aged 23, a bachelor, cabinet maker of 17 Todd Street, Bolton, father John Simpson (deceased) a carpenter. witnesses were his wifes brothers & sister.

1901 cencus living at 46 Cannon st, Bolton, aged 29, artist embellisher, born Hull. (living with wife, family & lodger)

1911 cencus he is listed as Charles Simpson Oldgate, although his wife & daughters have Simpson as their surname, living at 26 Conway View, Leeds, aged 39, furniture embellisher artist, born Bolton. (living with wife & family)

dont know where Oldgate has come from

cannot locate him in either the 1891 or 1891 cencus, or find a birth or baptism for him
thanx little h

[CaroleW]

So we don't know whether he was born in Bolton or in Hull which makes it difficult to determine the right census entry

The 1911 is completed by the householder themselves so if Charles filled in his own birthplace - it suggests Bolton.  If somebody else filled it in - they may have assumed his birthplace was Bolton if they knew that's where he was living previously

One good thing - his birthyear is consistent at 1872

[CaroleW]

See what you think about this as a possibility

1871 for 7 Strawberry St Drypool Yorks all children b Hull

John Simpson 59 shipwright b Louth Lincolnshire
Maria   31 b Louth Lincolnshire
Arthur   7
John William   5
Mary J K   3
Harriet Hasting 12 servant b Lincolnshire Stainforth
RG10 Piece 4779 Folio 51 Page 36

1881 for Mirfield - all shown as Algate - all children b Hull except last 2 (Algate/Oldgate)

John Algate 65 ships carpenter b Thorne Yorks
Maria  42 b Louth Lincolnshire
Arthur 17
William   15
Mary J 10
Charles   9
Thomas   7
Harry   4 b Halifax
Clement 8mths b Ravensthorpe
RG11 Piece 4556 Folio 132 Page 34


births Clement Orlando Simpson September qtr 1880 Dewsbury 9b 672

and also

Births September qtr 1863  Arthur Simpson     Hull  9d 210